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post #21 of 42 (permalink) Old 07-16-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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I think people in general don't watch RoH. So Taven is like a scapegoat. Oh I don't watch RoH because Taven is the champ. If he wasn't the champ then they wouldn't watch it because Delirious was still the booker. If he was replaced then they wouldn't watch it because evil right-wingers are running RoH.
I agree with this sentiment, since ROH hasnít been all that lately. Even after a joint show with NJPW in MSG, theyíre getting outdrawn by Impact in PPV buys (1500 for Slammiversary XVII to 1400 for Best in the World), and Impactís decline and problems over the last decade have been no secret. So, Taven is the guy who gets the blame for whatís going wrong in ROH even though whatever ROHís problems are goes beyond him.

Iíve never disliked Taven. He seemed like he would be a name at some point in the future.
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I agree with this sentiment, since ROH hasnít been all that lately. Even after a joint show with NJPW in MSG, theyíre getting outdrawn by Impact in PPV buys (1500 for Slammiversary XVII to 1400 for Best in the World), and Impactís decline and problems over the last decade have been no secret. So, Taven is the guy who gets the blame for whatís going wrong in ROH even though whatever ROHís problems are goes beyond him.

Iíve never disliked Taven. He seemed like he would be a name at some point in the future.
The Slammiversary vs. Best in the world numbers were the television PPV buys... Thus none of the Honor Club buys were included. So it is very likely ROH had a good amount more of viewers for Best in the world on HOnorclub.

Also, Impact has been turning things around this past year. They pretty much hit rock bottom, and building back up.

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Get fucking real. Taven isn’t the scape goat. He’s been groomed as a future ROH champ ever since his 2013 top prospect win.

Ever since 2013 anybody watching ROH regularly could see that Taven would flop as champ. This was a 6 year disaster in the making.

Taven gets hate because he’s just simply put: lame. He’s never been over to any degree, always been in the worst faction The kingdom, never been a top 20 wrestler at any time in a work rate promotion like ROH, his catch phrase is hideously awful “I’m Matt Taven,” what the fuck is a Melvin, no creativity, no originality, mediocre wrestler...

Basically put having Matt Taven standing atop a 15 ft ladder in Madison Square Garden as the ROH Champ is, was and always will be a huge disaster for a company trying to find its footing after the Elite’s departure.

Matt Taven is the personification of delirious’ Failed booking and it’s a car wreck everybody saw coming.

Scurll as champ and nobody complains.
PCO as champ and nobody complains.
Bandido as champ and nobody complains.
Haskins as champ and nobody complains.
Brody King as champ and nobody complains.
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I think ROH recently had a chance to crown Marry Scrull, a few times. They didn't, again and again.

It's not necessarily hate against Raven, but hate against Scrull not getting it. Taven isn't the best but he's doing morning outstandingly bad.

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This just goes back to the age old argument that ROH isn't putting the belt on someone with like less than a year left with the company... and imo why should they?? Hype up Marty Scrull just to potentially leave the company?? I'm sure if Marty would commit to ROH, that he'd have a championship reign. Same with Jeff Cobb.

The other thing, most wrestling companies use the belt as a prop to help get the talent over. Marty doesn't need the belt to be over and have great matches. ROH needed to build new non-elite talent.

I'm sure ROH knew it would create some controversy... and this is a prime example.


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He looks like someone you would have fed to Ryback with two other geeks six years ago

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If they knew that it'd be controversial, then they're even more idiotic than I thought. Because he's flopped so far as champion.

As for contracts, ROH has always been bad a pulling the trigger on someone when the time was right. Going all the way back to, at least Tyler Black. People like Scurll and Cobb are just the latest in a long line of that. Also as I said before, if you NEED the belt to even hope to get over, then there's a problem and you shouldn't have it. The belt should be won AFTER you've proven yourself already.

Saying that "Scurll doesn't need it because he's already over," is foolish, that's exactly WHY you give it to him. Same with Jeff Cobb for that matter.
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Re: Hate on Matt Taven

I thought I was missing something in not caring much for the guy, but I see Iím not alone. I have a really hard time buying him as a top guy. Like a few others have said here, heís not bad, but heís not really good, either. Heís playing a role of what should be a great heel, but he doesnít play it well.

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Re: Hate on Matt Taven

ROH just did their worst attendance ever in the Hammerstein Ballroom, how could anybody keep defending their booking?
It's not just that Taven is having some haters on the internet, it's that nobody wants to watch this shitshow anymore



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Get fucking real. Taven isnít the scape goat. Heís been groomed as a future ROH champ ever since his 2013 top prospect win.

Ever since 2013 anybody watching ROH regularly could see that Taven would flop as champ. This was a 6 year disaster in the making.

Taven gets hate because heís just simply put: lame. Heís never been over to any degree, always been in the worst faction The kingdom, never been a top 20 wrestler at any time in a work rate promotion like ROH, his catch phrase is hideously awful ďIím Matt Taven,Ē what the fuck is a Melvin, no creativity, no originality, mediocre wrestler...

Basically put having Matt Taven standing atop a 15 ft ladder in Madison Square Garden as the ROH Champ is, was and always will be a huge disaster for a company trying to find its footing after the Eliteís departure.

Matt Taven is the personification of deliriousí Failed booking and itís a car wreck everybody saw coming.

Scurll as champ and nobody complains.
PCO as champ and nobody complains.
Bandido as champ and nobody complains.
Haskins as champ and nobody complains.
Brody King as champ and nobody complains.
Donít be a Melvin.

Scurl IMO has failed when put in top matches. He is, simply, not that good ó nice look/gimmick but he canít carry it in the ring.

PCO is older than the dinosaurs.

Nothing to suggest Bandido/Haskins/Brody are anywhere near ready. Theyíd flop.

Taven has earned this. Heís a heel so people donít like him, which is how it should be.

Basically AEW gutted ROH by taking the guys who were carrying it forever. (And most believe Scurl will be heading that way soon, so putting the strap on him isnít a good option.) Itís another rebuild for ROH. Theyíve been through it before.

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