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New Thread for all general puroesu wrestling discussion. Don't be afraid to make threads on more specific topics just because there's a general sticky.
 
#608 ·
I'm sure somebody has already done this but this is the kind of geeky shit I like working out....Taichi, Ricochet, Dragon Lee, Will Ospreay and Hiromu Takahashi can all still win the block.

For TAICHI to win :
-- He needs to beat Liger
-- He needs Scurll to beat Ricochet
-- He needs Ospreay to beat Takahashi

For RICOCHET to win :
-- He needs to beat Scurll
-- He needs Taka to beat Dragon Lee
-- He needs Takahashi to beat Ospreay

For DRAGON LEE to win :
-- He needs to beat TAKA
-- He needs Liger to beat Taichi
-- He needs Takahashi to beat Ospreay

For OSPREAY to win :
-- He needs to beat Takahashi
-- He needs Liger to beat Taichi

For TAKAHASHI to win :
-- He needs to beat Ospreay
-- He needs Scurll to beat Ricochet
-- He needs TAKA to beat Dragon Lee

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NJPW 1972 is listing Ospreay/Takahashi as the main event which makes sense as the best match up on paper. But also because the outcome is extremely important based on the above.

If Dragon Lee beats TAKA or Ricochet beats Scurll, then Takahashi can't win the block so I think you can rule out Ricochet or Lee winning it. If Taichi beats Liger then Ospreay can't win the block so I think that rules Taichi it. I assume Liger is going to win his last match and also.....it's Taichi.

It seems likely that Ospreay Vs Takahashi will be winner takes all. It's certainly possible that one of them could just be trying to play spoiler, but I'd be surprised.

Yes I am very sad I know!

Just so I have closure here....and to make it a bit more exciting, I've looked at how the results of the first three matches would affect the main event. I think I've done this right.

Taichi & Marty & Taka win = Taichi (with an Ospreay win) or Takahashi win the block.

Taichi & Marty & Lee win = Taichi (with an Ospreay win). No clear winner with a Takahashi win.

Liger/Marty/Taka win = Winner of Ospreay/Takahashi wins the block.

Liger/Marty/Lee win = Dragon Lee (with a Takahashi win) or Ospreay win the block.

Taichi/Ricochet/Taka = Richochet (with a Takahashi win). Taichi (with an Ospreay win)

Taichi/Ricochet/Lee = No clear winner.

Liger/Ricochet/Taka = Ricochet (with a Takahashi win) or Ospreay win the block.

Liger/Ricochet/Lee = Dragon Lee (with a Takahashi win) or Ospreay win the block.
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I quite like the idea of potentially Ospreay or Takahashi not being able to win, but trying to play spoiler. Though as I said, probably unlikely.

Now finally off to get a life :)
 
#1,793 ·
I can't praise Doering & Zeus enough for the match they put together. Holy hell I was so invested in it and it was so different than any other big match I've seen in a while from any company. Just incredible performances and selling from both. Doering was such a breath of fresh air with his approach to keep things simple but absolutely PERFECT them in every way with his show of exhaustion and pure desperation. Must see stuff and definitely a MOTYC imo. Cannot wait for the KAI defense next month. **** 1/2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M9P8uJuDMLQ5gsGOQAoc54XcapCQasRD/view
 
#1,811 ·
I think "Who are the performers in there?" is important regarding long matches. Not for their attributes but card placement and their characters. So when you have Kenny Omega attempting to be an artist over a pro-wrestler in a match against a perpetual mid-carder like Juice Robinson, the art of the long-match is lost there.

If it's Naito vs Okada or Okada vs Omega, three main eventers who they want to present as the best in the world, then I don't see the long-match problems provided they hit certain criteria. They should either be having the hard-hitting 25 minute match or the struggle/war up to an hour. However, it's important to lay out the match as a war rather than a endurance performance otherwise once again, the art of pro-wrestling isn't there. Ric Flair vs Wahoo McDaniel is a good example of a perfect near-hour match, and the Rock vs Triple H is a great example of another one. Instead, Omega and NJPW have gone the Michaels-Hart route that the performance is the story rather than any personal element (and abandoning urgency, which IMO is one of the most fundamental aspects of pro-wrestling). Wrestling without urgency can be a chore to watch unless you are attached to the wrestler.
 
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#467 ·
Liger vs Taka was an incredible match, I don't know if anyone appreciates it as much as I do because there were moments where I saw them rush shit and other times changing gears was 100% on point. The thing that blew my mind is that no matter how much we're taught or see in wrestling and my opinion on what was rushed, it still got a great reaction. That's something two guys with many years and matches under their belts can do. Some of those spots were even botched but it blew me away that it still was so over.
 
#1,417 ·
Mochi has gotten great matches out of every main event he's ever been in. I swear that man is magic.

That disbandment match was fire too.
 
#1,468 ·
NOAH Global League brackets and notable dates.

“GLOBAL LEAGUE WAR 2017”

A BLOCK
Naomichi Marufuji
Go Shiozaki
Masa Kitamiya
Muhammad Yone
Cody Hall
Yuji Okabayashi (BJW)
Mitsuya Nagai (DRADITION)

B BLOCK
Katsuhiko Nakajima
Atsushi Kotoge
Kenoh
Quiet Storm
Akitoshi Saito
KAZMA SAKAMOTO
Masato Tanaka (ZERO1)
Yuko Miyamoto (666)

October 14th (opening date) - Marufuji vs. Shiozaki
October 24th - Nakajima vs. Miyamoto, Yone vs. Okabayashi
November 11th - Marufuji vs. Okabayashi
November 14th - Nakajima vs. Tanaka, Shiozaki vs. Okabayashi
November 19th - Finals
 
#3,383 ·
Kenny vs. Ospreay could have some early MOTY competition. The show looks amazing. Even though they're losing big matches to NJPW, it feels like NOAH is getting a lot of positive exposure right now.
 
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