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Now that you mentioned stardom lack of character arcs, I remember one from 2015 that got stuck in my head: kairi hojo losing the title to Satomura and promissing to get it back ( and I'm sure I heard a few ZETTAI from her). She wins the 5 Star GP to earn a title shot on the year end show, and then... io shirai beats Meiko Satomura on said show and hojo uses her title shot AFTER the event, losing to shirai and never getting her title back or beating Satomura 1 on 1. Unless I'm not seeing the real story, it always looked like a strange way to conclude an arc. It gets even weirder when 6 months later, Ice Ribbon starts a simillar angle with Risa Sera (loses title to Tsukasa Fujimoto, gets her momentum back on the Birthday Deathmatch show and wins back the title from Fujimoto on the year end show). As a result, Sera is in the middle of a much stronger title run than the first, while hojo is one step into wwe.
This is speculation, but it is believed that Satomura didn't want to do the job to Hojo and that is what derailed the storyline.
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This is speculation, but it is believed that Satomura didn't want to do the job to Hojo and that is what derailed the storyline.
Which is either a dick move by Satomura for starting something she wasn't going to finish anyway or/and stardom's foolishness on not making sure Meiko would agree with the ending or thinking a wrestler of her level would job to a "rookie". Or the more positive option "they thought they could build hojo up to a level where a victory over Satomura would be believable but couldn't". Or a mix of everything, we'll never know.

I firmly believe that rossy tried to bite off more than what he could chew, because that sounds like something he would do. The sad thing is that if he had shirai as the one to be defeated in the end instead of the begining he would get pretty much the same result without the risk of getting nope'd.

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Which is either a dick move by Satomura for starting something she wasn't going to finish anyway or/and stardom's foolishness on not making sure Meiko would agree with the ending or thinking a wrestler of her level would job to a "rookie". Or the more positive option "they thought they could build hojo up to a level where a victory over Satomura would be believable but couldn't". Or a mix of everything, we'll never know.

I firmly believe that rossy tried to bite off more than what he could chew, because that sounds like something he would do. The sad thing is that if he had shirai as the one to be defeated in the end instead of the begining he would get pretty much the same result without the risk of getting nope'd.
Rossy probably figured since he gave Satomura the top belt, she'd be willing to drop it to whomever he wanted. It has made for an interesting 'meta' dynamic to the Hojo/Satomura feud where Hojo is on this eternal quest to prove herself.
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NJPW is the most accessible thing for Western fans to come out of Japan. It gets high praise and is perceived as being a big deal. Which makes it something newer fans will cling too. They're less likely to get behind AJPW who(until recently) couldn't sell out Korakuen Hall.

You hope over time they'll explore the other promotions like Noah and AJPW. Which they should. That being said NJPW is the starter, and thus gets the most attention.

And a lot of times that's the case for most things, whether it be film, comic books, music, etc. You get into the big successful thing first, and then you start exploring something different as time goes on. You're always looking for something that could be a little bit different or new, while still loving what you liked before.

Everyone should be into NJPW. Especially if you're a fan who's had to deal with WWE's shit for so long. And I think, at this moment, NJPW deserves the high praise it has gotten over the past 2 or 3 years. Their success is also lifting up the promotions around them.
It helps New Japan doesn't have the Vince mindset. They understand that you need competition for different areas of the market. When NOAH and AJPW were struggling, if it was Vince he would try to kill them. While it didn't work out, New Japan were open to sending talent to help the show out.

The Japanese scene does seem to be on the edge of a boom, which can only be a good thing for wrestling as a whole, especially wrestlers that want creative freedom away from the WWE, so instead stay independent and top up their earnings with the Japanese bookings.
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I mean, I'm not a big fan of most NJPW guys. The style is a bit of a turn off. So I'm going to get the ball rolling in a much different direction.

Shinya Aoki vs. Yoshiaki Fujiwara (NEW 4/5/17):****
I’m not going to even attempt to act like I didn’t know I was going to like it going in. Probably damaging to the critical process to have such an immense feeling of joy entering a contest but here I am getting ready to type words about one of the greatest Japanese wrestlers of all time facing one of the greatest Japanese MMA fighters ever. That’s the dream. The match is more or less a grappling exhibition. A real great one of those though. Fujiwara is the bigger, older, slower vet who relies on experience and zero cares about taking some shortcuts. Throwing shots to ribs on breaks and throwing headbutts when Aoki gets cute. The longer the match goes the more it feels Aoki will grind Fujiwara down for the win but even then Fujiwara has the FUJIWARA ARMBAR in his back pocket to attempt to even things up. The time winding down but not quite at the end made it perfectly timed. Aoki has some awkward moments in this as far as pro wrestling aspects are concerned. In a way I found that charming. He didn’t take moves the way you would expect in some cases, like headbutts, and seemed to try and feed Fujiwara in blatant ways that I’m going to justify as being meta. Like Aoki has watched wrestling and he thinks he can feed his way into a cool counter. Aoki also has spider monkey like limbs so that’s cool to see him bend himself in weird ways. Yeah, so both guys know how to roll around on the mat and make it look good. I will pop for it. That’s what a four star match looks like.


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I'm so confused.

We asked for a NJPW section. They said no,

Because Japanese wrestling is undeserving.
Its not like its up there with the hugely successful impact wrestling who have their own section.
Forget that promotions like NJPW have a genuine world title, paying fans, sell out venues and put on the best cards in any promotion, they dont deserve their own section.
Moderators said so, they know what it best, its what they are paid for.
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It is on the RealHero Drive. Go check it.
Whats that?
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Whats that?
It is the place where you can find all the latest JPN wrestling that has aired. That's excluding NJPW & DDT since those two have services now. But AJPW, NOAH, and BJPW can all be found there. Feel free to google "RealHero Archive" for more. Don't necessarily want to link it in a post.

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It helps New Japan doesn't have the Vince mindset. They understand that you need competition for different areas of the market. When NOAH and AJPW were struggling, if it was Vince he would try to kill them. While it didn't work out, New Japan were open to sending talent to help the show out.

The Japanese scene does seem to be on the edge of a boom, which can only be a good thing for wrestling as a whole, especially wrestlers that want creative freedom away from the WWE, so instead stay independent and top up their earnings with the Japanese bookings.
What the fuck?
Theyre not in a position to have a Vince mindset and the circuit not set up for promotions to be super competitive, never has been. New Japan could never kill any other promotion's business just by being around and neither can any other promotion to each other.
There's no "boom" but the male section of the scene except a NOAH or whatever's happening with DG(cant really tell when you never give the real numbers out) at least have some sort of upswing, but it's nothing that can be considered a "boom"


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Because Japanese wrestling is undeserving.
Its not like its up there with the hugely successful impact wrestling who have their own section.
Forget that promotions like NJPW have a genuine world title, paying fans, sell out venues and put on the best cards in any promotion, they dont deserve their own section.
Moderators said so, they know what it best, its what they are paid for.

TNA doesn't deserve its own section anymore just going off seeing 20 post in a weekly Impact thread i the first hour of the show, but any given buzz on TNA is stronger than regular New Japan buzz outside Wrestle Kingdom here, plus it runs weekly and news is not only more frequent but more accurate(Dave is awful as far as knowing the puro scene). Also shafting the rest of the puro scene is a terrible idea.
And besides, this is a general. Doesn't mean doing a New Japan thread about a certain topic is off limits.

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Which is either a dick move by Satomura for starting something she wasn't going to finish anyway or/and stardom's foolishness on not making sure Meiko would agree with the ending or thinking a wrestler of her level would job to a "rookie". Or the more positive option "they thought they could build hojo up to a level where a victory over Satomura would be believable but couldn't". Or a mix of everything, we'll never know.

I firmly believe that rossy tried to bite off more than what he could chew, because that sounds like something he would do. The sad thing is that if he had shirai as the one to be defeated in the end instead of the begining he would get pretty much the same result without the risk of getting nope'd.
The whole thing with Kairi and Meiko has been gone through a lot but their handling of Kairi afterwards, whether she was meant to win the title but was shafted or never at all, was fucking horrid.

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Really dude, did you really not get my sarcasm?
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