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I'm so confused.

We asked for a NJPW section. They said no, unstickied the Puro threads, made new identical threads with slightly different names, went back and locked the puro threads and then pinned these?

What?

Why?
Happens a lot when threads get to big. It's the exact same thread, just a fresh one.

Sanada is one guy that really stood out to me during the NJ cup. It was the first time i got to see just how athletic the guy actually was and must say he impressed me. Those constant tag matches really do limit the guy in what they can do. Which is partly good I guess as it makes them look 10x better once they do get the chance to show what they can do.

Once LIJ disbands or at least once him, Bushi and Evil begin to do their own things I can see him becoming a legit star.

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Happens a lot when threads get to big. It's the exact same thread, just a fresh one.

Sanada is one guy that really stood out to me during the NJ cup. It was the first time i got to see just how athletic the guy actually was and must say he impressed me. Those constant tag matches really do limit the guy in what they can do. Which is partly good I guess as it makes them look 10x better once they do get the chance to show what they can do.

Once LIJ disbands or at least once him, Bushi and Evil begin to do their own things I can see him becoming a legit star.
Both avenues for Sanada are held by his own team. He isn't better than either Hiromu or Naito. Plus I'd imagine they don't want to book a stable to hold more than 2 titles. Best case scenario is he goes against Juice or Richochet if either of them take the win in a few weeks.

Insanity how talented that faction is.
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Gatoh Move always gives the impression of being an AU Ice Ribbon: Similliar yet different. Wish I had the will to watch it (and everything else, really)
It's a given since Emi Sakura founded both promotions, but Ice Ribbon looked a good amount like what Gatoh Move does now apart from a few things, including the wrestling in small room idea. Then she left the promotion, created Gatoh Move, and IR(or Neoplus who owns them) starts doing a lot more with it. It's late night and I feel I'm missing some pieces of information but that's the simple way to put it. Kyuri, Kurumi, Tsukushi, Riho, Kotori, Tsukasa, Hikaru Shida, and Miyako and more were trained by Sakura in that time in Ice Ribbon. Of course, Riho and Kotori and Sayaka Obihiro(I think was trained in Ice Ribbon) went with Sakura in Gatoh Move, and workers turned freelance that were in Sakura era IR like Shida, Makoto and Aoi Kizuki work there as well.

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OZ always made me roll my eyes with Ozaki-gun stuff, but the things I saw without their involvement has been fairly good. It also has my favorite set of Champions today.
I hated it forever but there's this weird toleration I have for it most times now. Not completely grown on me, don't think it ever will, but I stomach it down more than I used to.

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Stardom also never did anything to me, so it's kinda annoying (though understandable) that it's the only thing people talk about. What I saw wasn't bad but hardly above and beyond everything else. They also probably have more belts than people on the roster.
The weird trick with Stardom is something I realised earlier this year while watching a Shinkiba show or whatever: At its core, it's not an awful promotion. Like the smaller show can be ok or even kinda solid, but there's a lot of scattered shit laid out that ruins it. The repetition, bland cards, the shitty shitty plate of foreigners they bring in, too many belts, the weird way things are just hot shotted and rushed, and nothing there at all to try and even smoke and mirrors it up besides hoping Io or Kairi can carry the foreigners to something, no real angles or stories or character arcs or characters to make up for it. And while the smaller shows have those issues at least scattered or sometimes absent, the Korakuen Hall shows bring it all together and REALLY fucks with any liking that could be had with the promotion, to the point where they're honestly the worst part of Stardom. The only two half decent Korakuen show I've seen in full that I can think of was the Cinderella Tournament last year and the December show with Io/Mayu. The others just range from this strange imbalance of meh, average, or terrible(good lord that 5 Star GP show). This year is not as bad as last year which was horrendous, but I cant recommend a single full show to anybody and say "oh man, go through this shit here" from recent times except the 2 I've named.

Its discussion frequency makes sense, though. They had a good amount of it before but the Act/Yoshiko incident sparked it for good. plus, all of their Korakuen shows air on Samurai, do 8-12 of those a year, everyone new starts out on puro with pro shot shows and matches(casual puro fans dont care about smaller shows shot in hardcam only), it gets out a lot more eyes since they're the only ones getting that frequency on TV except OZ, fill the promotion with western workers(this has been a Rossy move for years but it goes rampant in 2016 especially), start a streaming service directly aimed at western fans with English subs. It sucks since the promotion really isn't even a decent one on the grand scale but ehh, but life ain't fair so it's fine to just enjoy how much better your opinions are than their's
Also, fuck Io's title reign already, i can't help but repeat that

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Speaking of too many belts, Sendai Girls has 3 belts for 5 home wrestlers - two veterans, two rookies and a super rookie. That's 2 belts more than they need. And having outsiders holding the tag belts only leads to millions and millions of Shida/Syuri vs Chisako+someone else (because they NEED a home talent in a title match).
Well, it's 2 championships in the company not 3, but yeah. There was almost a whole 10 month period where the tag titles were vacated and never addressed after DASH's sister retired while they were holding the titles. That was basically the giveaway of how pointless it was to tag belts around. Having a main singles belt is fine, especially with some handicaps involved.

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I can't comment on Tokyo Joshi Pro since all I know about it is how bad Saki Akai was years ago lol
She's gotten better over the years, you can tell there's more focus into improving in her than there was a few years ago. Her singles match with Yumi Ohka in Yokohama in November was good, and so was her match with Rika Tatsumi in Tokyo Joshi Pro recently.

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I have to concur. I just got into it after seeing a clip of the Mayu Iwatani vs Io Shirai match and I've absolutely loved it.

I don't know why they have matches with kids though.
Girls as young as preteen being involved in joshi is essentially the pull that made it a very popular niche in the first place. AJW, the once sole joshi promotion, that also marketed the promotion to school girls, picked out young Japanese girls to be apart of the promotion and when they reached a certain age(25 iirc), they had to retire, and there was no alternative to go to until the late 80s came along. It was in hindsight a stupid rule for many reasons and things outside of AJW starting making their names which led to the rule being dropped(and the target audience would start shifting), and would sort of curse joshi's future with a lot of young workers retiring early(though they have their various reasons), but that was the time and that was their marketing to their audience. Nowadays it's just whatever. Stardom has always picked up preteens and single digit workers(HARUKA aka "that little girl Kenny Omega wrestling was from there) to train and Ice Ribbon is/was the same way. Girls like Riho and Kurumi would start out at 10 or so and rank up over time as 11 and 7 year pros respectively as of now.
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Sanada - Has it all. A one of a kind athlete, who can move like a Jr but has the size to pull off some pretty fantastic power moves. He's suffered due to politics, but if they ever pull the trigger I think Sanada could be pretty big as a babyface. I think he has a lot of understated charisma, which gets masked with the restrictive character he plays.
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Both avenues for Sanada are held by his own team. He isn't better than either Hiromu or Naito. Plus I'd imagine they don't want to book a stable to hold more than 2 titles. Best case scenario is he goes against Juice or Richochet if either of them take the win in a few weeks.

Insanity how talented that faction is.
Well they don't have to win it. I mean, lets be realistic here, both of them are good and still got lots of potential, but NJPW's top of the card is stacked so they ain't winning singles belt and if they do they'll drop it in a month or two.

Also I don't think that it matters that Sanada is not as good as Hiromu or Naito. Goto and Ishii aren't as good as Okada either, but it doesn't stop them from being legit competitors.
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Got any big match/show recommendations from this year? I've seen the promotion mentioned a few times in the last few months since I've st arted getting more into Joshi stuff but I've never seen anything heavily recommended from there. Primarily been Stardom/Sendai Girls/Oz that I've been recommended, but I'm always looking to expand .
Ribbonmania 2016 (the final show of last year) is a good place to start since it features the semis and the finals of the tournament for the vacated ICEŚ∞ Championship (Ice Ribbon's top title). The 3 tournament matches and the tag team Championship match were great, and the rookies battle royal and the Miyako match were fun.

The Official Youtube Channel has Digest versions of most of their shows (the weekly Dojo events, the various small events and the big ones held on Korakuen Hall). Unfortunately there's nothing in english so it's hard follow their angles (like Kyuuri declaring she's gonna surpass the seniors this year).

Other full shows and matches usually end up scattered all over Youtube after TheRealHero Archives uploads them on their google drive account.
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I'm so confused.

We asked for a NJPW section. They said no, unstickied the Puro threads, made new identical threads with slightly different names, went back and locked the puro threads and then pinned these?

What?

Why?
Nothing to do with that. Once threads get over 5000 posts they start causing errors so we start new ones.
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Nothing to do with that. Once threads get over 5000 posts they start causing errors so we start new ones.
An unlucky coincidence, then?


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They won't push Ibushi until he signs a full time deal and he doesn't want one, with any company
Ibushi is one crazy cat. Legit turned down the top Two companies in the world, only to return to one as a tiger.


Guess that's one reason he's so great, even though he's so wasted in his current spot.

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Can Sanada and Evil aspire to much though under Naito? They had good showings at the New Japan Cup but I'd imagine they are fairly limited in challenging for the title unless they go after the Intercontinental IF Juice wins over Naito. I'm not too well versed in the Never Openweight so maybe they could go for that?
After Evil has comprehensively gone over Tanahashi, Open would probably be a step down. Sanada going for the openweight kind of makes sense. They clearly see some value in him, as they're protecting his finisher.

I agree though its such a crazy talented group, it will be interesting to see who Naito gives the rub too when they eventually split. Right now they're making so much money that I agree, they're limited till New Japan decide to go full-throttle on a Naito push.

Hopefully he's next in line after Omega.

I'm not on the Juice train, but I wouldn't be against Naito dropping it, with the seeds being sown for another heavy run. Juice is not the wrestler I like, but he's shown a lot of passion and the crowd love the shit out of him.

Check out his on the road videos on NJ world. Really dope interviews that makes him appealing as hell as a babyface. If they have Juice take it, it needs to be booked very carefully. Naito was selling his shoulder/collarbone I think, so maybe that injury plays into costing him the match.


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Well they don't have to win it. I mean, lets be realistic here, both of them are good and still got lots of potential, but NJPW's top of the card is stacked so they ain't winning singles belt and if they do they'll drop it in a month or two.

Also I don't think that it matters that Sanada is not as good as Hiromu or Naito. Goto and Ishii aren't as good as Okada either, but it doesn't stop them from being legit competitors.
Goes back to his Mutoh/Wrestle 1 association. He failed the NJPW dojo tryout and eventually joined another. In short, he's not a New Japan guy and as you've seen with the demolishing of Suzuki's aura, there's always a stigma to it. Notice how Sanada rarely gets much time in for his stuff during his matches, and the vets seem to fuck with him during his matches. I think its classic see if he can take it before we push him type thing going on with him.

He's still young so no doubt he can get there eventually.

Still LIJ

You've got four guys in there that have major potential to carry the top part of the card. All money with unique looks, good charisma and can seriously work. The roster is so stacked its crazy.
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