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I started watching NXT when it changed from the "winner" thing to a weekly show and you still have to remember that it was never live and they always had the chance for weeks to change things, add things, remove things. This was their first live show. Would it have been better with a promo here and there? Yes. But they just had an hour (yes just an hour, as I dont count the network hour, as it had less urgency than the TV hour) and wanted to show a lot of stuff and the Grimes thing, I really liked. Something everyone always say in the RAW and SD forums, they need to utilize new talent and Grimes is (at least looking at the time he is in NXT). So I guess they want to portray him as a strong guy and he actually can cut a good promo too, so let him get to that. If they dont show him the next 3 weeks then I am with you.

So maybe we have to see the next two weeks how it plays out. Like others said, they cant keep up the pace because it will become boring when it is excitement all 2 hours, but they needed a starting point and I for one think they couldnt have made it better.

I get your point but calling it "a fake indy" after just one show, I guess that is the problem with todays people. See TBBT as example, crappling through the first season and became the most watched comedy for over a decade. I for one am the most excited for next weeks show. If they go the same way as this weeks, maybe I will get your point a little more, but I give them time to tell me the "whole" story of NXT.
My problems with NXT run much longer than this last episode but when NXT was just 1 hour they had an excuse for never having promos or developing characters, now that's no longer an excuse.

Even if I accepted your premise that the debut hour on NXT had to be all action, that doesn't excuse why the second hour only had 30 seconds worth of promos.

Can you remember the last person to touch a live mic besides Dream, Gargano or Cole? Can you remember when was the last time there was a promo battle instead of a monologue? I can't.
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Of course it starts with a close up of Trips as he strokes his ego again. "WE are the present and the future". You're a 50 year old from the Attitude Era, let it go Paul, and stop pretending like NXT is all on you.
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Yawn.

1) Some episodes of the Miz's reality show drew over a million viewers. As an example, an August episode pulled in 1.094 million viewers. Barely any less than NXT's number.

2) NXT was advertised heavily on WWE programming. It also had a strong timeslot.

3) A live wrestling show will always draw more than a spin-off reality show. The Miz also main-evented wrestlemania almost a decade ago, and was merely a side salad to Cena and Rock anyway.
Miz and Mrs is promoted on WWE tv during actual show. There was barely any promotion for nxt debut on Raw and SD..even Kenny Omega mentioned that yesterday.

Reality tv also costs alot more to produce than live wrestling. USA are probably paying twice as much per hour of Miz/Mrs as NXT.

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Great, wrestling has always drawn more than the random MLB games and UFC has never drawn amazing numbers on TV outside the first big Fox event years ago and the first Ultimate Fighter in 05 and the one in 09 with Kimbo. What's your point? Wrestling has hemorrhaged viewers at a much higher rate than most things on TV with no end in site. At some point, TV executives will see it's silly to pay huge numbers for declining programming that isn't even attractive to advertisers, which pro wrestling historically has never been.
WWE programming brought in $200 million in advertising last year for their US shows only. That's going to jump quite a bit with move to FOX.

My point is if tv networks are giving UFC $1.5 billion to air their tv product and a developmental WWE show featuring people that audience have never before seen does similar it's very hard to say that's not a success.

NXT beat Suits in 18-49 and viewers last night and suits started off season 1 averaging about 4.5 million viewers.

"At some point, TV executives"..but haven't we now been saying that for years! I just looked back on predictions on this site from 2014-15 and a bunch of people were saying Raw/SD would be off USA on smaller network or get much reduced tv rights deal by 2019-20. The opposite happened.


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I think AEW will beat them every week. You guys underestimate their interest
Every week, bold statement.

I think AEW will beat NXT first week, second week, probably third but after that it's trickier to predict.

The more shows AEW seem to put on the more interest seems to dip.
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Miz and Mrs is promoted on WWE tv during actual show. There was barely any promotion for nxt debut on Raw and SD..even Kenny Omega mentioned that yesterday.
But there was promotion for it on RAW and Smackdown, and all over WWE's social media platforms. Those in the wrestling bubble, and watch almost everything that WWE produces, will have known it was on and prepared to give it a try.

Again, live wrestling will always draw more than a reality tv spin-off, especially one that airs in a late timeslot on a Tuesday when wrestling fans are burned out after 2 hours of Smackdown and 3 hours of RAW the night before.
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My problems with NXT run much longer than this last episode but when NXT was just 1 hour they had an excuse for never having promos or developing characters, now that's no longer an excuse.

Even if I accepted your premise that the debut hour on NXT had to be all action, that doesn't excuse why the second hour only had 30 seconds worth of promos.

Can you remember the last person to touch a live mic besides Dream, Gargano or Cole? Can you remember when was the last time there was a promo battle instead of a monologue? I can't.
Honestly for me there is less excuse for a 1h taped show with the issues you are mentioning, but to be fair NXT was always like that. And your point with just a couple of people getting promo time, I dont see any difference in any other promotion, as you mostly just add promos to your important feuds. I understand where you are coming from, but I would give it at least last week to see if they do more "theatre" and less "indy wrestling".
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What promotion was there on raw/sd? I can't remember any on the actual shows and they would run those five second ads during the break.

Social media isn't promotion that will reach the tv watching audience. The majority of cable viewers are men over 50. I doubt but a tiny percentage visit WWE social media. Promotion is what Fox is doing for SD debut currently.

Live wrestling..you mean RAW and SD. They are institutions on TV at this stage. Not sure a live episode of main event or superstars would draw much interest
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Miz and Mrs is promoted on WWE tv during actual show. There was barely any promotion for nxt debut on Raw and SD..even Kenny Omega mentioned that yesterday.

Reality tv also costs alot more to produce than live wrestling. USA are probably paying twice as much per hour of Miz/Mrs as NXT.



WWE programming brought in $200 million in advertising last year for their US shows only. That's going to jump quite a bit with move to FOX.

My point is if tv networks are giving UFC $1.5 billion to air their tv product and a developmental WWE show featuring people that audience have never before seen does similar it's very hard to say that's not a success.

NXT beat Suits in 18-49 and viewers last night and suits started off season 1 averaging about 4.5 million viewers.

"At some point, TV executives"..but haven't we now been saying that for years! I just looked back on predictions on this site from 2014-15 and a bunch of people were saying Raw/SD would be off USA on smaller network or get much reduced tv rights deal by 2019-20. The opposite happened.




Every week, bold statement.

I think AEW will beat NXT first week, second week, probably third but after that it's trickier to predict.

The more shows AEW seem to put on the more interest seems to dip.
Aren't the tv insiders expecting AEW to do between 300 and 500K?

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What promotion was there on raw/sd? I can't remember any on the actual shows and they would run those five second ads during the break.

Social media isn't promotion that will reach the tv watching audience. The majority of cable viewers are men over 50. I doubt but a tiny percentage visit WWE social media. Promotion is what Fox is doing for SD debut currently.

Live wrestling..you mean RAW and SD. They are institutions on TV at this stage. Not sure a live episode of main event or superstars would draw much interest
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There was ads on RAW and Smackdown for the show. The NXT brand has been mentioned on RAW and Smackdown for years, it's not like it's 3rd string show.

A higher percentage of NXT's audience were young people than RAW. Showing that a lot of its audience is probably active on social media.
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My point is there was next to no promotion on Raw or SD. They had nobody from NXT appear on those shows, they didn't have HHH come out and cut promo telling viewers to watch.

WWE give a nod to NXT from time to time at best on TV. They promoted the Evolve show nearly as much and it's not part of their portfolio at all.

There were more more over 50 watching NXT Wednesday night than 18-49.

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Aren't the tv insiders expecting AEW to do between 300 and 500K?
Or so claims Meltzer.. No way TNT (a stronger network than USA if you remove RAW and SD average viewership) would be happy with 300-400k in prime time.

It won't do that. The preview show on Friday at 10pm did 390k so debut should be around 1.3-1.4 million using TNA best of numbers and comparing to live Pop debut.
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Good ratings for a debut live show. Hope they continue this momentum although I think AEW will beat this number on their debut show.
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