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If i was the booking this shit, i would make Shirai attack and injured Duke and Shafir. That way you have a good reason to do a rematch.
Yeah, you could have Duke and Shafir dispose of Candice and beat on Io after the match for a good measure. That way at least Io's fighting back because she had to, not because she's a sore loser.



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Yeah, you could have Duke and Shafir dispose of Candice and beat on Io after the match for a good measure. That way at least Io's fighting back because she had to, not because she's a sore loser.
Well in a way the Io we saw post match is closer to the Io in Japan.
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The popularity thing just exposes the hypocrisy though. If something is only bad when someone you dont like is doing it then you're being a hypocrite about it.

The division is still pretty thin now, they haven't built up many other women.
Here's the thing though, this amazing thing. Want to hear it?

Asuka was actually entertaining. Shayna is boring, and her reign has stifled a far deeper division than the one Asuka ruled for most of her reign (until the spring of 2017 that division was dead).

Even then, Asuka's reign was getting long in the tooth, but she still pulled off stuff like the matches with Nikki and Ember. Shayna is one dimensional and can only do the same thing over and over again. The division hasn't had a single classic match since Asuka vs. Ember in Brooklyn two years ago. Guess the reason why.

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She has tons of momentum.
To be fair, Io is now more over than she was before. She now has more character depth. It does feel like shades of Becky Lynch at SummerSlam last year. Maybe that was the point, but it was still executed poorly and says a whole lot that the main roster did it better.

I guess those details won't matter in the end as long as Io wins and puts this division out of its misery, but that is very much up for debate.
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Re: Shayna retaining clean against Io is ridiculous

so the female triple h's reign continues

top lol

sad thing is shayna is actually a very effective heel...

seems nxt women's division is becoming very similar to the main roster, booking/focus wise. her reign is tedious

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See I genuinely don't get why I'm supposed to be excited for this?

Going essentially "well I know that many feel like Shayna's reign has gone on for too long, she's already plowed through the entire division. And I know that they gave Kairi the shortest and weakest reing in the belt's history and didn't even let her defend it once on TV or Takeoever because, well Shayna NEEDED the belt back as quickly as possible for some reason. And I know that all of her matches are basically the same, and I know that they set Io up perfectly already to hate Shayna and be more aggressive and beat her, only to have her tap clean like a bitch and look like a moron beforehand anyway. But come on guys, give it three more months, surely they'll pay this off then right."

Again why couldn't they pay if off NOW, why does this shit need dragged out even longer, you cannot say that they haven't milked Shayna as champion for all it's worth. Io already was aggressive, we saw it, she already had many reasons to hate Shayna, so why should I be excited to see it dragged out even longer? It's a genuine question, they're just rehashing things booking-wise now. And why did Io HAVE to tap out CLEAN and look like a careless doofus here, was that essential?

Basically I'm struggling to see why I should me more excited now, when the set up was already here and they just refused to do it? Also given how they've booked Shayna so far, why shouldn't I expect her to win again at the next Takeover? Again honest question.

"Aggressive Io" was already a thing, we saw it not two weeks ago. Triple H is just indulging his MMA fetish at this point, nothing more.
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This is honestly hilarious.

Everyone thesedays endlessly bitches and cries and moans about heels never winning clean. Then when a heel wins clean because said heel isn't some Indy spot monkey everyone bitches, moans and cries about that.

And for everyone saying Shayna is killing the division or burying everyone, this is the exact same thing Asuka did and everyone adored her reign.

The hypocrisy from wrestling fans is always astounding.
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The popularity thing just exposes the hypocrisy though. If something is only bad when someone you dont like is doing it then you're being a hypocrite about it.

The division is still pretty thin now, they haven't built up many other women.


The moment Shayna was sandwiched by the other 2 ex-mma-women, she lost a lot of her own magic. Most of the segments with her+2 involved became boring. Maybe MMA-fans like that and obvisouly these are the people HHH cares a alot about.
If you really think, that Shayna+theother2 are as entertaining as Asuka ... good for you. Many people are no more interested in a women division, which is just about bringing two friends of Ronda Rousey over, while slowing down the career of the 3rd one (Shayna).

The biggest hypocrisy is talking like one would defend Shayna. She becomes 39 years old in 2 month and is still hanging in NXT. They will call her up with the other two to roll out the red carpet for Ronda Rousey, if/when she comes back.
So Shayna will just be one of Rousey`s friends, exactly on the same level like the other two.

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Triple H has become almost as bad as Vince when it comes to "playing favorites" with the women at this point, I honestly believe that. I mean how is it different really:

-There's one person that he's utterly obsessed with being at the top no matter what.

-That person is always either holding the belt or in the title hunt.

-They plow through most of the division, who are just built up to be fed to this one person.

-The feuds are repetitive as Hell.

-The babyfaces all look incompetent for the sake of keeping this one person at the top.

-98% of the division cannot break out or get anything of note to do because this one person NEEDS to be at the top constantly.

-They ignore when logically the story points to said person losing in favor of having her win anyway.

-Etc.

It's VERY similar, only it's become even worse since Charlotte has at least been booked SLIGHTLY less dominant than Shayna has, and there's less excuse in NXT given the roster size. And not, it's NOT Charlotte or Shayna's fault, they're both talented. But the booking has just become so stale and repetitive that it's hard to get invested anymore.
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Here's the thing though, this amazing thing. Want to hear it?

Asuka was actually entertaining. Shayna is boring, and her reign has stifled a far deeper division than the one Asuka ruled for most of her reign (until the spring of 2017 that division was dead).

Even then, Asuka's reign was getting long in the tooth, but she still pulled off stuff like the matches with Nikki and Ember. Shayna is one dimensional and can only do the same thing over and over again. The division hasn't had a single classic match since Asuka vs. Ember in Brooklyn two years ago. Guess the reason why.



To be fair, Io is now more over than she was before. She now has more character depth. It does feel like shades of Becky Lynch at SummerSlam last year. Maybe that was the point, but it was still executed poorly and says a whole lot that the main roster did it better.

I guess those details won't matter in the end as long as Io wins and puts this division out of its misery, but that is very much up for debate.

Hmm idk... I would put Shanya vs Kairi at Brookyln 4 as a classic match. If its not then damn well near.
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And they squandered it by giving Kairi a "fluky" win, having Shayna dismiss it as such, the prove her right by having her win the next three title matches between them, and Kairi got the shortest and weakest reign in the belt's history, and then had Kairi leave NXT by getting her ass kicked by Shayna and co to show that they're meanies for the 7,000th time.
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Re: Shayna retaining clean against Io is ridiculous

I feel like the direction this SHOULD go over the next few months (leading into Toronto and a bit after) is:

- Io goes after Jessamyn and Marina and actively hurts them. They are lower tier wrestlers, and as a result are still rookies in the ring/weak. While it would be a heel like move, the audience will likely forgive Io for this, considering Shayna did the same thing when she showed up to NXT.

- Shayna will probably get provoked into a title match as a result of that.

- Io wins the title at Toronto, and is a tweener afterwards.

It feels like they are building up Io to be the next monster of the division (albeit in a different form) once Shayna is called up. And Triple H did mention last night that while Io lost the match, she came out as the winner at the end because she left Shayna laying in the ring, revealed a new side of herself, and also took something away from Shayna that will hurt her almost as much as losing the title. Shayna's pride was ripped away. The so called dominant badass of the division got the everliving hell beaten out of her, and commentary also brought up that while Shayna won, Io is very clearly in Shayna's head now.
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