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Re: Shayna retaining clean against Io is ridiculous

That's Triple H's fault not hers. And neither has Mia either.
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She's the best mat worker in the roster by far.
Bullshit. Watch Asuka and Becky's match at the Rumble. It was a light years better mat match than anything she has ever had.

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The best female heel in the roster by far.
Maybe in her first reign. Definitely not now.

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The most feared by far. As bad as the situation is she's taken the ball and more or less made it work to make her look like a formidable, destroyer of a champion.
She hasn't made it work. This is the worst reign in the history of that title. She doesn't even look formidable anymore. She's needed her two GEEKS to help her for the past 8 months. Some "destroyer."

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Baszler included, that booking doesn't have the slightest clue what to do with this division except throw shit against the wall and hope it sticks, while Baszler has to carry the rest of the shit in the wheelbarrow. Yes, she's carrying a shit show but she's doing what she's told like a trooper and people need to get off her ass.
She isn't carrying shit. The show was MADE to be shit because everyone on the roster has been made to look like a moron just so she can look good for the past 18 months. Her booking is the biggest cancer in the entire company right now. And that isn't her fault. But she's also nowhere near talented enough to justify it.
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She isn't carrying shit. The show was MADE to be shit because everyone on the roster has been made to look like a moron just so she can look good for the past 18 months. Her booking is the biggest cancer in the entire company right now. And that isn't her fault. But she's also nowhere near talented enough to justify it.
I'm not fucking talking about her reign and you know that, so don't start this shit. I already know it's the worst reign, possibly ever. I am talking about it has not hurt her reputation as a character. She looks like the most dominant woman on the roster and that was by design.

You are still going around telling people she isn't talented enough to carry programs like this and it's simply not true. She is talented. Even more, she doesn't even have to try that hard to be talented, it comes naturally to her.

Everyone she has faced has gained the sympathy factor just by being in the ring with her, because we know how much of a bullying bitch she is portrayed as. That is exactly how she should be portrayed.

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Re: Shayna retaining clean against Io is ridiculous

In her first reign maybe, not now. It's because she has go away heat and everyone is sick of her. She's nowhere near dominant anymore. She needs those two GEEKS to help her now. Needed them for Bianca, Kairi, and Io.
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In her first reign maybe, not now. It's because she has go away heat and everyone is sick of her. She's nowhere near dominant anymore. She needs those two GEEKS to help her now. Needed them for Bianca, Kairi, and Io.
And you dont even remember that her last two Takeovers she told those two jabronis to stay in the back so she could fight Bianca and Io by herself. She is well capable of doing so, which is why she retains her dominant look.

She needs to lose, but it's not because this spin you keep making for the past year that she's untalented. The go away heat will not remain once they finally decide to get their heads on straight and draft her to main.

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Re: Shayna retaining clean against Io is ridiculous

They came out during the Bianca match in Phoenix, what are you talking about? I honestly can't even remember if they did in the fatal 4 way. That's how little impact these matches have had.

I never said she's "untalented." I said she's not talented enough to get the push she's getting. She has a certain talent in a very one dimensional fashion that's good in short bursts but gets overexposed very quickly after that. She gets stale FAST. Zero justification for the booking she's gotten for the past 18 months. The end should've been when she dropped the title to Kairi.
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They came out during the Bianca match in Phoenix, what are you talking about? I honestly can't even remember if they did in the fatal 4 way. That's how little impact these matches have had.

I never said she's "untalented." I said she's not talented enough to get the push she's getting. She has a certain talent in a very one dimensional fashion that's good in short bursts but gets overexposed very quickly after that. She gets stale FAST. Zero justification for the booking she's gotten for the past 18 months. The end should've been when she dropped the title to Kairi.
You did say she's untalented right in this very thread. She isn't untalented at all. This role was the most perfect role they could have given her or else she could have been forgotten long ago. That suits you fine since you never like her anyway. Everybody in this forum knows how much you dislike her by now.

That's the difference between me and you on this. I don't hate the player, I hate the game.

And this other stuff about her being one dimensional is ridiculous. She's multi-dimensional. You could place her in any sort of program you could think of except for maybe a babyface role and she would do fine. Anybody would get stale in the amount of time they'd have to hold this belt. Even Kairi would get stale if she was a champ for this long.

The key to maintaining a talent is REACTION. Even if it's go away heat. You want to know how you fix go away heat? It's like this, the way you temporarily band-aid a go away heat situation on tv is you try to turn it into sensationalism type heat for the normies.

Not the guys like you and me who hang out in Wrestling Forum and go all elaborate and sperg about every single thing in wrestling, no, the single-minded ones who just watch the show with basic complaints. They start going "man, I'm sick of Shayna boo hoo" so the company goes ahead and stretches out the reign some more, and have her play with that go away heat just to get her more hated. Next you're going to tell me "that doesn't work" like the many goofs on this forum who don't see beyond a situation and just call everything unfixable. Guess what, it has worked on guys like Ciampa, and KO, and Alexa Bliss, and others that fans were sick of but got a ticket out of go away heat jail.

As for Duke & Shafir, I don't like them whatsoever, but their presence is a necessary evil for Shayna. You get Shayna in the ring with someone like Bianca, and she could destroy Bianca whether Duke & Shafir was in the picture or not, but the minor yet important difference is those two are these to make sure she is booed. If they weren't, Shayna would risk getting too over with the crowd or even worse draw no reaction at all. She got one heck of a boofest at Takeover and boos are food to her as long as she keeps doing what she's doing.

I nonetheless want it to end, because she's done enough. The program has extended well beyond its usefulness. If she doesn't lose that belt by the end of summer, they have without a shadow of a doubt abused the potency of a talented heel they could have made use of in far better ways than they have been doing.

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And this other stuff about her being one dimensional is ridiculous. She's multi-dimensional. You could place her in any sort of program you could think of except for maybe a babyface role and she would do fine. Anybody would get stale in the amount of time they'd have to hold this belt. Even Kairi would get stale if she was a champ for this long.
Nope, every single match and feud is the exact same which is a major reason everyone is sick of her. A more capable champion with a long reign, like Asuka, or Ciampa, can stay entertaining, because they can have different kinds of matches and rivalries. Shayna is a one trick pony that got lame a year ago.

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They start going "man, I'm sick of Shayna boo hoo" so the company goes ahead and stretches out the reign some more, and have her play with that go away heat just to get her more hated. Next you're going to tell me "that doesn't work" like the many goofs on this forum who don't see beyond a situation and just call everything unfixable. Guess what, it has worked on guys like Ciampa, and KO, and Alexa Bliss, and others that fans were sick of but got a ticket out of go away heat jail.
This is just reaching, and it didn't do good in any of those cases. Ciampa was good, but his reign really did go on too long and set the NXT main event picture into a morass it's yet to recover from. KO produced bad programming for months. Alexa Bliss destroyed the credibility of the Raw women's division. None of those were good for the programming.

If you need to justify "go away heat," (which Ciampa certainly did not get, anyway) you know you're in a bad place.

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As for Duke & Shafir, I don't like them whatsoever, but their presence is a necessary evil for Shayna. You get Shayna in the ring with someone like Bianca, and she could destroy Bianca whether Duke & Shafir was in the picture or not, but the minor yet important difference is those two are these to make sure she is booed. If they weren't, Shayna would risk getting too over with the crowd or even worse draw no reaction at all. She got one heck of a boofest at Takeover and boos are food to her as long as she keeps doing what she's doing.
This is just cognitive dissonance if I've ever seen it. She wasn't "destroying" Bianca, it was the other way around and she needed those two goofs to help her. Same with Kairi, and so on. She didn't need those two to get booed before (trust me, she ain't getting over with anybody) and wouldn't need them now. Those two aren't there for any other reason than Triple H hoped they would improve but a year later, they're still busts.
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Re: Shayna retaining clean against Io is ridiculous

Io should have won the belt and THEN turned, that'd fit her character more. She didn't need to choke twice first just to do that. Also her vs. Candice should be the main title feud, not a midcard one paying second-fiddle to Shayna vs. Mia.

Io fucking Shirai should never be booked as a loser. The fact that her record is so pathetic in NXT is absurd booking-wise. Also Io vs. Candice HAS to make the Takeover card at least. It'd be absurd for it not to.
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