Im not one to complain about spammed moves. Suicide dives,hurricaranas, moonsaults. Back when these moves used to be special now there as common as sliced bread but still im ok with this.
But iv gotten to a point where I wish wrestlers would scale back on the super kicks. Seems like once Shawn Michaels retired and "put the band away" he said hey EVERYONE can use my finisher now as a common move. Its getting as much use as a simple lock up it seems.
My reaching point was when I saw Kay Lee Ray used the super kick this past Wednesday. Then of course Carmella's been using for a while so she super kicked someone like 20 seconds after.
What once used to be a devastating finsher for Shawn is now a normal move that is spammed to often.
Super kicks, dives, it's all too much. Too much repetition. It all feels the same. That's why I like watching WALTER matches. In addition to just pure skill, he's the only guy on the roster, main roster or NXT whos matches actually feel different.
Even in AEW its already overboard, especially from the Young Bucks. HBK is my favorite wrestler of all time. The superkick should have retired with him.
Every idiot does it thinking they looking cool, but they look like complete buffoons. Michaels made it his finisher and used it in high caliber matches to win. He used it out of no where like Austin and the stunner and Orton with the RKO.
When Michaels accidentally super kicked the timekeeper in Wrestlemania 12 it stands out because he used a finisher move on a non wrestler. It had the same weight as Lesnar doing the F5 on a non wrestler. These days every idiot has to do it much like the dive over the top rope. How many times do you remember Taker jumping off the top rope or Michaels doing the super kick? Which is more memorable, them doing it or these geeks?
Seeing how whored out the DDT and superkick have become and lost all their badassery, it makes me thankful that the piledriver requires Vince McMahon approval to do because Lord knows that would be the next one to be diminished.
A lot of it comes to how wrestling these days has too much need for upstaging moves or making their execution too impractical. A straight, perfectly angled kick to the jaw or a front facelock and falling back to pull the guy down harshly can take you extremely far as HBK and Jake Roberts proved. Then you get shit like someone doing a fireman's carry into some spinning tombstone or whatever, it's goofy. The biggest offender of this was the Canadian Destroyer, holy god did I ever and still do hate that move.
Give me someone like Test who could unleash the most demonic big boots or a Stan Hansen certified lariat from the abyss. It's why I gravitate to something like Randy Orton's punt. It's nothing fancy, it's certainly not pretty, it's a running punt to the side of someone's skull. That's simple, but it's brutal. The second it hits you know that guy just got fucked up.
Considering Davey Richards has had Teddy Hart heat in the past it wouldn't shock me if that were a shoot elbow.
As for the topic, I miss rest holds. I've seen suplexes and powerbombs before, I can load up Smackdown vs Raw right now and replay the move previews as many times as I like. But have you ever considered making me care who wins and loses? An interesting match perhaps, between two characters, with a story.
People definitely focus too much on big hits and moves and not enough on psychologically making any of it meaningful.
In a boxing match, in a UFC fight, a kick or a punch that lands clean is a BIG moment. It pops the crowd because it's meaningful. The guy who got hit is suddenly in danger of being advanced upon or being finished. There's a story, there's a narrative, there's a change in the dynamics of the story going on.
In wrestling too often they go for trading spots where someone gets kicked, then the guy who got kicked powers through the pain and does an instant german suplex, and the victim of the suplex pops up to continue exhanging... Now I like those spots... Once in a match. Other than that, people should be selling more, telling a story more often more meaningfully.
Glad I have alternative with Drew claymore, back in day during prime HBK or his second stint with WWE, his superkick will always remember as devastated shocker especially everytime one superstar start try to dominate and looks unstoppable, that's the time HBK "tune his music". Now the superkick more like regular toe kick.
I have hated the Superkick as a finisher for 20 years.
It's just a kick, ffs. OK, some people sell it really well, but I don't get why people mark out for it when performed. It's just not interesting or exciting. Especially now in the "Superkick Party" era where you get matches like Fenix V Jackson on this week's Dynamite, where we see the move a dozen fucking times.
I hated it when HBK started using it - especially with the STUPID build up of stamping the mat and basically making sure that the opponent knows it's coming agood 30 seconds in advance ... but they still walk into it. That removes all credibility for me.
When it's hit with no build up, taking someone by surprise, and if they sell it well, then it's passable as a regular wrestling move. But for spamming and as a finisher, it has never been something I like.
This Indy Lucha strong style is killing wrestling as a whole. It’s becomes very video game like and in no way good for the health of the sport since you’re killing the art and psychology that makes pro wrestling feel like magic at times. Also you desensitise audience where they just don’t care anymore. It’s a real psychological thing where the more you’re exposed to horrific incidents the less emotionally effected you become. And these idiotic wrestlers got zero concept of that.
But iv gotten to a point where I wish wrestlers would scale back on the super kicks. Seems like once Shawn Michaels retired and "put the band away" he said hey EVERYONE can use my finisher now as a common move.
I can't believe I opened this page and saw this thread because I thought it was just me. Although I would take it a step further. I'm getting tired of all the kicks in general. I suppose it's realistic from a pure fighting aspect that kicks would be effective. It's just that there are so many of them, none of them seem special.
Maybe that's a sign that I need to take a break from pro wrestling, I don't know. But I'm getting tired of them.
Flanderization is again seriously the best way I can put it.
For those who don't know: Flanderization - The act of taking a single (often minor) action or trait of a character within a work and exaggerating it more and more over time until it completely consumes the character. Most always, the trait/action becomes completely outlandish and it becomes their defining characteristic.
In another sense, I'd liken it to the Hulk Hogan vs HBK match. An exaggerated mockery of wrestling, all the moves are there but it misses the point.
Sadly this has gone on for a generation now, the indie geeks of the past will become the trainers of the future. Thigh slaps and kick pads will replace selling and character building as the fundamental building blocks of pro wrestling.
I am more sick of dives, I can still get a reaction from a good super kick, but a dive feels like people are obligated to perform and when people hit them that I barely react these days. Wouldn't be shocked to see Braun Storwman do a dive next lol,
But superkicks? I still get kind of pumped to be honest
There is no tension in wrestling anymore. Just moves for the sake of moves.
If you watch a rockers match, everything is done with a purpose.
Nowadays, if you've seen one young bucks match, you've seen them all.
Give me al snow against hardcore holly any day.
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