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Why does WWE suck at writing faces?

Every babyface is a one dimensional loser who loves kids and is "happy to be here", it's been like this for the past 10 years.

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Re: Why does WWE suck at writing faces?

John Cena became a success with this type of writing. That was more to do with the fact he was John Cena, rather than the writing, but as they know it can work, they won't change it.

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John Cena became a success with this type of writing. That was more to do with the fact he was John Cena, rather than the writing, but as they know it can work, they won't change it.
Success? he was boo'd his entire career. He's a 16 time champ and i never see anyone asking for him back.
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Re: Why does WWE suck at writing faces?

Because Vince McMahon is an out of touch 70-odd year old man who thinks all good guys must constantly be shown as vulnerable and sympathetic, not realising that he's actually showing them as weak and painfully uncool.

It's a myth that WWE used to be great at booking faces, they've sucked at it for about 20 years. The Rock used to get laid out by Triple H basically every show. It didn't hurt him, because he's The Rock, but they've taken that method and used it on every babyface since and it never works because nobody else is The Rock.

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Success? he was boo'd his entire career. He's a 16 time champ and i never see anyone asking for him back.
No he wasn't. The fans put Cena in the top face position.
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Re: Why does WWE suck at writing faces?

Playing devils advocate (although I understand "creative" is literally paid many 0's of dollars to come up with interesting characters) it is much easier to have a Heel play up a personality worthy of being interesting. A lot of times, I think you need the Heel to interact with the Babyface first in order for the Babyface to be very interesting. Or else it just becomes another story of a squeeky clean good guy and even then it really depends on what the heel does in order for the face to be interesting.

I think one thing I like seeing about AEW (I know, another AEW mention. But I'm not a crazy one, I know they have a lot of faults as well) is the ambiguous face / heel dynamic. Even though it's drastically confusing in some senses to me right now because I'm so used to the strict Face / Heel dynamic.

Most people aren't bad guys just to be bad guys and most people aren't squeeky clean either. To bring in a WWE reference - John Cena, The Rock, CM Punk. All fantastic examples of being babyfaces with heelish type of attitudes while all 3 also able to get cheered in different Era's of wrestling, while also being a Heel.

You wanted to cheer for them (and Boo Cena duh), but they had their motives, whether they were questionable or not. But for some reason, WWE still keeps trying to create Heels that are 100% only heals with no redeeming traits and Babyfaces that are squeeky clean kissing babies with no sense of attitude.

I think getting rid of strict heels and babyfaces and just giving people more of an organic type of personality would go a long way into creating actually interesting Heels and Faces.

Edit: I realized all I did was half assed answer the question then ramble on. Whoops

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Re: Why does WWE suck at writing faces?

It's because they only believe in one dimensional white meat babyfaces. Heaven forbid they craft someone with a complex personality that does things in shades of gray. Humans are more complex than just a black or white approach to situations. I dread Bryan becoming the standard boring as fuck face who has to pander to the town they're in for a cheap pop.
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It's because they only believe in one dimensional white meat babyfaces. Heaven forbid they craft someone with a complex personality that does things in shades of gray. Humans are more complex than just a black or white approach to situations. I dread Bryan becoming the standard boring as fuck face who has to pander to the town they're in for a cheap pop.
He's gonna be an underdog who gets laid out on every show.

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He's gonna be an underdog who gets laid out on every show.

That's where it's headed. A five time world champion who is the perennial underdog. The only decent thing is that he has magically regained the ability to kick out at two which seemed to be rare on his heel run.
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That's where it's headed. A five time world champion who is the perennial underdog. The only decent thing is that he has magically regained the ability to kick out at two which seemed to be rare on his heel run.
If he goes to Raw I see Drew kicking his ass every week, Bryan wins the PPV match via roll-up then Drew lays him out after the match just to make sure that nobody gets over

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Success? he was boo'd his entire career. He's a 16 time champ and i never see anyone asking for him back.


Who has been more successful in the past decade? If you can name someone, on what grounds? In the mount Rushmore thread people we're stating Cena could be #4 and I won't argue with that.

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