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Looking back at 2010s Kane

I wanted to talk a bit with my fellow Kane fans (or people who don't dislike him, at least) about a couple of things that bothers me of how he's been managed in this decade.

In my opinion, one of the things that distinguish Kane is how he tweaks himself every few years, even if he's still the same twisted Big Red Monster, in both character and appearance. From 1997-2010 I think all of us know what I'm talking about: he had a ton of different attires, his promos evolved a lot, etc.

And in 2011-2019 he went from the Resurrected masked Kane to Corporate Kane, then Corporate/Demon and now just Demon Kane (and Mayor Glenn Jacobs, of course). And while from a character point of view that's OK, I think WWE have failed at the presentation these last years. I'll explain myself.

When he returned as masked Kane at the end of 2011, the stitches of his attire made sense. He was supposed to have been 'resurrected', so the autopsy stitches were a cool attempt at relating this newer masked Kane to that transformation the character had lived. They didn't looked that great actually, but at least try tried to give it that consistent, nice touch. The mask looked good to me, too.

But that attire overstayed his welcome. A lot. By 2012 he presented a variation of it that lasted until 2018? So from 2011 to 2017 he wore basically the same attire, with little few changes. Most of that time, the 'resurrected' gimmick was already forgotten. It also never looked too good: in comparison to Kane's old attire, it always looked a bit cheap.

And why do I think that's somehow relevant? Because when a character is stale, a good and easy way to freshen them a little is changing his attire. A good example would be his return against Reigns that led to his involvement with Strowman and Lesnar. When he returned in fall 2017, he had a new remix of his theme but because how he had the exact same attire he had when he was jobbing against Reigns every single week, it felt like "same old, same old". Even if it's a stupid, little thing, changing his attire would have help him look renewed.

Then in 2018 he debuted this new attire with the little flames. It doesn't look too bad but he just started using it in a random show. If he's going to change his attire, it should be a way to show us this is a "new", "more dangerous", "renovated" Kane. Not a change that happen randomly.

I feel like I'm rambling. And it's true. My point is: many fans have been feeling that Kane has been stale this decade. And while some people will surely think that a 50 years old performer who has been around the last 22 years is bound to be stale and should retire, I think WWE didn't do enough to keep his main gimmick fresh. Look at the mask: the last one he has wore has been used for too many years and it doesn't even look that good. It seems to be some cheap, soft plastic that a lot of times doesn't even properly adjust to his face. Compare that with old Kane, that kept changing his appearance and always looked imposing.

So, in my mind, he should have changed his appearance, at the very least, when returned in October 2017. And probably when before Team Hell No and when he became Corporate/Demon. The metal studs he has used before, or adding some black to his mask and some more red to his attire, etc, would've made him look better.

Also, I think the nicknames WWE have give to him don't work. The Big Red Monster and The Big Red Machine have always define the character. Calling him sadistic, twisted, demented or demonic is enough. "The Devil's Favourite Demon" and "Demon Kane" are things that add nothing and never felt truly right to him.
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Re: Looking back at 2010s Kane

Kane's character and its changes (alterations that are conflict with prior established storyline) and the overall staleness to the character are a microcosm of why WWE Creative and its Leadership have so badly, badly underperformed for close to two decades. The Kane character was a sandbox to play with, something that could have been made richer and more interesting with a long-term story arch. Or at the very least, consistency to the character with gradual changes along the way.
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Loved 2010 heel Kane and loved Resurrected Kane even more. I was so excited when he returned with the mask in late 2011 and I thought that was supposed to save his career from all the 2004-11 crap booking he went through, but it wasn't the case.

The problem was that they botched his re-masking. He never explained why he brought back the mask in the first place and instantly became the "Prophet of Hate" for no reason. Then, he should've pinned John Cena at Royal Rumble to make a huge impact upon his return, but they went with a double count-out finish to protect their golden boy. He should've also entered the Royal Rumble match and won it by last eliminating Chris Jericho. I didn't care about boring babyface Sheamus, he was stale as hell, I wanted to see Kane and Jericho, the legends who just returned to WWE, as the final two men. John Cena would've eventually turned heel and embraced Kane's message before defeating The Rock dirty at WrestleMania, so there would've been no need for the Twice in a Lifetime shit. Kane would've defeated World Heavyweight Champion Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania, still leading to Team Hell No in late 2012.

Corporate Kane was a fun alter ego, but again, they didn't explain what happened after The Wyatt Family abducted him at SummerSlam and what it had to do with Kane's decision to join The Authority after his return at Hell in a Cell.

Enjoyed Kane's second re-masking in 2014 when he destroyed Daniel Bryan with three Tombstone Piledrivers, but then he became Randy Orton's babysitter (as he was saying himself during a promo) and always lost to Roman Reigns. Him going back to his Corporate persona after only three months was weird.

Split personality Kane from late 2015 was brilliant, too bad it only lasted a month. Nice reunion with The Undertaker after and then some sporadic appearances before going on a hiatus in late 2016.

Loved his return in late 2017 and him going over Finn Balor and Seth Rollins before engaging in a feud with Braun Strowman. He was supposed to feud with Roman Reigns (probably because Roman "retired" The Undertaker at WrestleMania that year), but Da Big Dawg got sick and they turned Braun face. Amazing remixed theme, and yes, he should've introduced a new attire.

It sucked that during all his three runs as a heel since his re-masking (2011-12, 2013-15 and 2017-18) he had to lose to John Cena, fuck that guy.

Anyway, I surely enjoyed 2010-19 Kane more than 2004-09 Kane.

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Re: Looking back at 2010s Kane

I just think the issue was less about attire and more he had reached his limit. A monster only has so long of a life span, especially when you're beat as often as Kane was.
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Kane's character and its changes (alterations that are conflict with prior established storyline) and the overall staleness to the character are a microcosm of why WWE Creative and its Leadership have so badly, badly underperformed for close to two decades. The Kane character was a sandbox to play with, something that could have been made richer and more interesting with a long-term story arch. Or at the very least, consistency to the character with gradual changes along the way.
Totally agree. WWE is almost a creative wasteland.

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Loved 2010 heel Kane and loved Resurrected Kane even more. I was so excited when he returned with the mask in late 2011 and I thought that was supposed to save his career from all the 2004-11 crap booking he went through, but it wasn't the case.

The problem was that they botched his re-masking. He never explained why he brought back the mask in the first place and instantly became the "Prophet of Hate" for no reason. Then, he should've pinned John Cena at Royal Rumble to make a huge impact upon his return, but they went with a double count-out finish to protect their golden boy. He should've also entered the Royal Rumble match and won it by last eliminating Chris Jericho. I didn't care about boring babyface Sheamus, he was stale as hell, I wanted to see Kane and Jericho, the legends who just returned to WWE, as the final two men. John Cena would've eventually turned heel and embraced Kane's message before defeating The Rock dirty at WrestleMania, so there would've been no need for the Twice in a Lifetime shit. Kane would've defeated World Heavyweight Champion Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania, still leading to Team Hell No in late 2012.

Corporate Kane was a fun alter ego, but again, they didn't explain what happened after The Wyatt Family abducted him at SummerSlam and what it had to do with Kane's decision to join The Authority after his return at Hell in a Cell.

Enjoyed Kane's second re-masking in 2014 when he destroyed Daniel Bryan with three Tombstone Piledrivers, but then he became Randy Orton's babysitter (as he was saying himself during a promo) and always lost to Roman Reigns. Him going back to his Corporate persona after only three months was weird.

Split personality Kane from late 2015 was brilliant, too bad it only lasted a month. Nice reunion with The Undertaker after and then some sporadic appearances before going on a hiatus in late 2016.

Loved his return in late 2017 and him going over Finn Balor and Seth Rollins before engaging in a feud with Braun Strowman. He was supposed to feud with Roman Reigns (probably because Roman "retired" The Undertaker at WrestleMania that year), but Da Big Dawg got sick and they turned Braun face. Amazing remixed theme, and yes, he should've introduced a new attire.

It sucked that during all his three runs as a heel since his re-masking (2011-12, 2013-15 and 2017-18) he had to lose to John Cena, fuck that guy.

Anyway, I surely enjoyed 2010-19 Kane more than 2004-09 Kane.
I really liked 2004-2009 Kane, to be honest. About 2010-2019, well, I agree about the split personality character being great, but that's where the things I was commenting come to play: this new, exciting characters had exactly the same presentation Kane has had the last 4 years. In the past, they would've given him something new. But all these years, while he kept doing new things, he always ended up looking like the same old Kane who threw Ryder in a wheelchair and was beaten by Reigns a dozen times.

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I just think the issue was less about attire and more he had reached his limit. A monster only has so long of a life span, especially when you're beat as often as Kane was.
Well, I'm not the kind of guy who gets tired of things so I don't know. But even if you're mostly right, that's why I was talking about his appearance. These tweaks could've helped people somehow forget his past defeats, I think.
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Kane should have retired in 2009, his legacy defined him as the GOAT wrestling monster prior to that, I all had in my mind in relation to Kane was him being an scary, dark and heartless big machine.

The 2010's tarnished his legacy too much, corporate Kane was an abomination, Team Hell No was fun, but it was not Kane, he simply wasn't suited to work in the PG era.

Kane was never gonna work in the PG era, it was impossible.

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The worst Kane attire will always be his unmasked one or Corporate one.

I think the biggest problem with Kane is he's too much of a nice guy.
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He had a good decade. Still with Kane there could have been so much more with his character than we got.
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He had a good decade. My highlights were his WHC feud with the Undertaker, Team Hell No and Corporate Kane.
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Kane is one of my all-time favorites, he's a great and very respectable man. He's proof that you don't need to put on 5 star matches all the time to be loved.

That being said, honestly IMO the last best Kane run we got was in 2010 during the long storyline of The Undertaker being put in a vegetative state. He went on a rampage looking for who did it, won MITB and cashed in the same night to win the WHC, then feuded with Taker and beat him 3 PPVs in a row with Paul Bearer by his side. It was an awesome storyline and gave me Attitude Era vibes as well as his 2003 run when he was an unstoppable monster. Too bad it ended like a joke by Edge.

After that, I got hyped when he was coming back masked, but remembered he was coming back against Cena and knew he was only going to lose. The whole "give in to the hate" thing as well as being involved with Zack Ryder was just dumb.
I loved Team Hell No and Corporate Kane, but I hated it when it ended with him turning face again and remasking in the cheap costume and mask you spoke of.

Kane is one of the GOATs idc what anyone says.
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