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The in ring quality and lack of reactions for main roster matches

Is it me or has the main roster fallen behind other promotions when it comes to the in ring product?

Feels like every match is in front of a dead crowd which doesn't react to the match but big moves. It hurts the matches as you don't get invested into it because the atmosphere is so dead and you become more interested in your phone than the shows.

So the only thing they really had going for them seems to be gone too, there's no fire/passion or emotion. It all feels so soul-less.
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Re: The in ring quality and lack of reactions for main roster matches

It's almost like people are bored of these matches they've seen before...
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Oversaturation. Nobody feels special anymore, except Bray Wyatt.
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Re: The in ring quality and lack of reactions for main roster matches

It's for every match, if the stories are bad and the matches are dead - why watch?

They really need to start improving or there will be another big fall coming.

This one will be the real big one that demotes them to little league status.

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It's almost like people are bored of these matches they've seen before...
NJPW does plenty of feuds to death and the crowd isn't dead for those. If the matches were good, fans would get invested.
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I generally prefer good in-ring action than the side/storyline stuff but I used to be in the minority. Most wrestling fans I know who grew up during the AE and RA eras prefer the 'drama' (if you put it that way) than the in-ring performance.

Recently however there is a strong preference for good in-ring action and there are just so many ways you can do a match. And if those matches look similar / repetitive, then it's mostly because the wrestlers are following a formula that will guarantee them a 4- or 5-star match. I'm not saying that wrestlers work hard solely to get 4-/5-star matches, but it does feel like sometimes, they are wrestling to impress their peers and themselves. The AE and RA eras don't have a lot of those 4-/5-star matches but the entertainment value is high.

WWE should invest in better stories, treating feuds and encounters like they're actual stories that should culminate in-ring, rather than do a storyline for 2-3 weeks expecting them to have momentum heading to PPVs. WWE has lost sight of that long-term booking and storyline development, mostly because they have PPVs every month and they just move on to new things.
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Re: The in ring quality and lack of reactions for main roster matches

...Does someone have to try and make this point every week? Especially during a KOTR tournament where the crowd has been hot for, a show last night that had hot matches, etc. Are some moments dead? Sure, but acting like this an exclusive problem is asinine. And acting like the whole show is like this is also asinine.

I mean you say ďcompared to other promotionsĒ, do you watch other promotions. ROH has this problem, Impact has this problem, AEW just had a show where it had a dead crowd for several matches, etc. NJPW will even have this problem, and Iím not talking about quiet Japanese crowds, Iím talking about disinterest at times from the crowd.
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...Does someone have to try and make this point every week? Especially during a KOTR tournament where the crowd has been hot for, a show last night that had hot matches, etc. Are some moments dead? Sure, but acting like this an exclusive problem is asinine. And acting like the whole show is like this is also asinine.

I mean you say “compared to other promotions”, do you watch other promotions. ROH has this problem, Impact has this problem, AEW just had a show where it had a dead crowd for several matches, etc. NJPW will even have this problem, and I’m not talking about quiet Japanese crowds, I’m talking about disinterest at times from the crowd.
Every week there's people talking about the crowd being dead, even tonight Dave and Bryan talked about the crowd being pretty dead outside one match. Whenever I have watched this past year, the crowd has been dead, very rarely do you get a match with a crowd there to lift it.

This issue isn't new and it's been like this for over a year and has only gotten worse. Others also suffer from it but it's not anywhere as bad as it is in the WWE where it feels like they're dead 99% of the time and only wake up for a few seconds for a big move. And it's not like in NJPW where crowds are engaged to the action, it's genuine disinterest.
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Re: The in ring quality and lack of reactions for main roster matches

Honestly it's sad to see crowd at hard camera angle sitting in the chairs rather than standing up, chanting, counting falls etc. Repetitiveness of matches in WWE has killed a little thing called invested crowd. Especially on ppvs.
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Every week there's people talking about the crowd being dead, even tonight Dave and Bryan talked about the crowd being pretty dead outside one match. Whenever I have watched this past year, the crowd has been dead, very rarely do you get a match with a crowd there to lift it.

This issue isn't new and it's been like this for over a year and it's only gotten worse.
I donít need to hear what Dave and Bryan said, I can see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears.

And to act like they are in this big hole compared to other promotions to someone who watches other promotions, this idea that WWE is so much worse off than everyone else is again, asinine.

Especially coming off a show where they were hot in several spots. Iím not acting like you arenít rich in some regard, but there are holes in your argument.

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I don’t need to hear what Dave and Bryan said, I can see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears.

And to act like they are in this big hole compared to other promotions to someone who watches other promotions, this idea that WWE is so much worse off than everyone else is again, asinine.

Especially coming off a show where they were hot in several spots. I’m not acting like you aren’t rich in some regard, but there are holes in your argument.
There wouldn't be so many people complaining about it if it weren't an issue.

I really don't understand what you're getting at given everyone on this site knows it's a big concern, the company included. If people in the arena are apathetic, you're going to have lukewarm atmosphere which is going to push people watching at home away.

I brought up Dave and Bryan because I didn't watch the show so I can't comment on tonight. It was during their show they brought up the WWE falling behind in ring and that being a reason why crowds are so dead and the PPVs are so forgettable nowadays. I agreed with it, with what I've seen this year, I wouldn't be impressed with the work the WWE are putting out either if I were watching live.


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