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The WWE hasn't created a single star and deflated whatever stars they had.

I'm talking about Stars from other promotions, global stars like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Shinsuke Nakamura and Kevin Owens.

At first they did capitalize on AJ Styles' tremendous talent but as of now, he's really being wasted on someone like Cedric, just so a bunch of boring as fuck guys like Rollins and Strowman could mainevent and the ratings are historic lows isn't it?

Kevin Owens wasn't the next Austin but at least he could have been booked properly but we all know what they did with him instead.

The WWE right now has all these tremendous performers/wrestlers only ON PAPER, but in reality, none of them is a star, only barring Roman, AJ and Daniel Bryan(Top Tier), with Kevin Owens never really reaching his full potential, and Joe, Elias, Rusev, and Bray Wyatt and even Cesaro just being buried over and over, or booked inconsistently. That's five fucking guys who are NOT STARS, all because of the WWE and their folly.

Now the one guy that arguably is a star is Roman but even he hasn't been consistent owing to an untimely Leukemia remission, return and lukewarm midcard feuds since that return.

Meanwhile, one of the most atrociously boring, bland, and overrated guys in Seth Rollins (and people thought Reigns sucked, but it was Rollins all along, because frankly, Roman vs AJ in 2016 was awesome and interesting as fuck, but none of Rollins' matches or feuds are interesting) is BURNING IT DOWN..the product sucks, the ratings suck.

And let's not even say anything about female Seth Rollins aka Becky boring Lynch and her annoying crap, and the whole bunch of women or the women's division, which couldn't even retain viewers let alone draw new viewers, and in fact the overpushing of a bunch of fucking women and saturating Raw and SDL with women's wrestling plays a part in the historically low ratings. Reason? Women are NOT stars, never were, never will be, unless if you consider Sable and Debra doing whatever they did, 4-5 minute segments on Raw in 1998.

Yeah Sable was a star, but not an Austin-mainevent-star. Is Becky? I don't think so. I wouldn't even watch a bunch of women wrestle in mainevents if they paid me to, as long as Daniel Bryan, Roman Reigns, and AJ Styles were around. Because in Wrestling, Men are the stars, and if they're not stars, nobody cares, which is evident in this currently grim, wasteland of a WWE TV scene and deadened interest in the product and diminishing viewers.

So women never were stars and Becky stuff is flop, and men aren't stars(owing to Vince's own folly, inconsistent booking, pushing Rollins), and so where do we go from here?

Brock isn't going to be around forever(and his schtick has been repetitive and ad nauseam itself), and not even Uncle Austin and Uncle Undertaker's appearances help at this point. Where are the stars? Who can be the next big star(Male, that is), and will the WWE capitalize on that person? Could it have been Kevin Owens?

For now, the only three guys I see as the true stars of the company are Roman, AJ and Bryan.

And then you've got a midcarder-for-life pancake-throwing ridiculous goofball as your WWE champion. Yeah, Kofi Kingston sucks and will never be half the star as Randy.
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Re: The WWE hasn't created a single star and deflated whatever stars they had.

How can anybody be surprized when all they do these days is promote the brand and not the wrestlers.
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oh my fucking god how many of the same thread do we need every week? no shit they've made no stars, they aren't capable of making any stars. either accept it for what it is or get over it and move on then you might actually get some fulfilment out of your life.

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oh my fucking god how many of the same thread do we need every week? no shit they've made no stars, they aren't capable of making any stars. either accept it for what it is or get over it and move on then you might actually get some fulfilment out of your life.
Forreal. This shit has been said so many times it's cliche now. Whining about it ain't gonna change anything. At this point it's either shit or get off the pot.
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Re: The WWE hasn't created a single star and deflated whatever stars they had.

This thread again?
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Re: The WWE hasn't created a single star and deflated whatever stars they had.

Becky Lynch is a star. But she did that herself.




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They did really well to elevate Strowman to the heights he got tbf. Like, he went from absolutely green big man to one of the most if not the most cheered guy on the show. His entire booking from the split to the Wyatt family to his feud with Roman was great and made him out like a star. Pity they couldn't continue the good booking for him after.

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Becky Lynch is a star. But she did that herself.
Becky Lynch isn't a star, to the niche fanatics that will watch regardless yes, but that's not what's being discussed, if you showed a regular person a photo of her, they wouldn't know her.

There's no proof at the gate or in ratings that she is.

Usually cheers are the proof used, yet even if she's cheered at most only 500,000 fans go to TV events each year, so if those 500,000 people are the proof, then she isn't a draw.

So if by star you mean she's popular then no, if by star you mean over with niche fanatics who watch wrestling regardless, no
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Becky Lynch isn't a star, to the niche fanatics that will watch regardless yes, but that's not what's being discussed, if you showed a regular person a photo of her, they wouldn't know her.

There's no proof at the gate or in ratings that she is.

Usually cheers are the proof used, yet even if she's cheered at most only 500,000 fans go to TV events each year, so if those 500,000 people are the proof, then she isn't a draw.

So if by star you mean she's popular then no, if by star you mean over with niche fanatics who watch wrestling regardless, no
At this point yes she is recognized. On a worldwide scale? No. But she is currently recognized by a good amount of people outside of the WWE audience. She had a Head and Shoulders shampoo commercial, which women flock to. She was a part of the women's empowerment media angle for the U.S Open. There are legions of people that watch women's tennis, especially around US Open time. She was the first WWE superstar to be on the cover of ESPN magazine. The digital version is read by hundreds of millions of people every month. Thats a lot of exposure for people who have never heard of her. She had 3 ESPN commercials that were aired on ESPN, a channel watched by millions. All of that makes her a star to a certain extent. If that doesn't make you a star in WWE, then what does?

Is it making a difference in the ratings? Of course not. Wrestling is a male-dominated sport and people watch for great content which WWE refuses to give us. 98.9% of the time, a new fan will come in to watch the men. Becky is a star in the sense that she has been getting more and more mainstream exposure. Not in the sense of ratings skyrocketing. Ratings are not moving until Vince is out of power. Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey are considered "mega-stars" but neither one of them made a difference. NO ONE is a draw. You can show a regular person a picture of Lesnar, McGregor, or Rousey and they wouldn't know who they were either. It all depends on who you're showing the picture to.




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They don't have to build stars. If you're a mark for a certain wrestler you're going to follow them wherever they go. That's what WWE is banking on. They'll keep raiding the indies for whoever has a following and keep them for 5 or so years until they retire.
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