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post #1 of 78 (permalink) Old 09-11-2019, 11:46 PM Thread Starter
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Easy fix to prevent fan hijacking shows/chants

For years the vocal minority has controlled the shows and forced the show to cater to a niche audience.

It has damaged the potential of talented superstars while overhyping those who has support(Becky Lynch)

An example would be Lacey Evans, most people clamor for characters and story, and Lacey had that, however since she wasn't from the independent scene and lacked indy cred, she was booed by the vocal minority attendance, the fanatics.

Normal fans couldn't care less about that, even if she was supposedly green as they care for character & story above everything else.

Baron Corbin in front of crowds of 5,000 is booed, yet at MSG is cheered.


There's an In-Crowd - At Home audience disconnect.

Meaning that while crowds cheer or boo a certain person/story, people at home have been tuning out. what the crowds like are a minority of what the general audience wants.

At shows Rollins gets more cheers than Braun Strowman, however ratings wise and on Youtube Braun gets far more viewers. Roman Reigns is another example, while he was booed, he sold the most merch and had highest ratings.

What crowds want and audiences at home want are very different.


What's going on and why?

The normal fan is no longer attending the show, hence the radical disconnect between viewers at home and crowds.

The crowds consist of fanatics who have a niche demand contrary to the viewers at home, hence the low attendance and tarped off arenas.

Tickets for WWE shows are at an all time high, only niche Fanatics who will spend any means of money to attend, and travel at any means attend.


Solution?

WWE must lower ticket prices dramatically so that fans, casuals go to local shows, this will fill arenas and help to prevent fanatics from going to shows, hijacking shows and having show catered to them.

If tickets are prices high, only fanatics will go and the hijacking won't stop. casuals aren't gonna pay for it.

Even casuals who turn away from the product would go to local shows if they're cheap. "Hey WWE is in town, I don't watch anymore but since they're cheap might as well go to WWE event"

This will wash out the chants and stop the crowd hijacking which is one of the top reasons(along with poor booking) that's hurting the WWE

This is one of the steps needed to change the company.

It's equivalent to a Britney Spears VIP, no normal person is buying $10,000 tickets, only fanatics will.

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Re: Easy fix to prevent fan hijacking shows/chants

thats a very well thought out post, and MSG was a perfect example of this
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ain't it sad

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Re: Easy fix to prevent fan hijacking shows/chants

I stopped reading at Lacey Evans.
She's very subpar in the ring, she's okay at the best of times on the mic, and her character is almost non-existent. It's there, but it's not anything major that sets her apart.

Fans will stop hijacking, not that they do it that much, when WWE starts giving us entertaining shows.
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I stopped reading at Lacey Evans.
She's very subpar in the ring, she's okay at the best of times on the mic, and her character is almost non-existent. It's there, but it's not anything major that sets her apart.

Fans will stop hijacking, not that they do it that much, when WWE starts giving us entertaining shows.
They're not gonna stop hijacking.

They could find the next megastar and they'll be booed out the building for not being technically proficient, not from indy's and if they are percieved to be taking a niche favorites spot.

Right there you prove my point, "subpar in the ring"

Most people don't care about that, only fanatics who know the inner workings of the business and put in ring aspect on a pedestal. Lacey has a character unlike 95% of the roster. she should be booked as a star and would be a star, but isn't because WWE caters to the fanatics, one reason their booking is horrible.

To the rest of the world, what happens in the ring is the least important aspect.

Similar to broadway, the stage & the dance numbers isn't the star, the story and character are. even on broadway the dance numbers have a psychology for the story in the play.

What's the purpose of a fight that defies logic with no selling, nearfalls, and flips and neither or tells a story?

So even the wrestling is lacks entice.

Fanatics hijacking want people who don't have other aspects of skill(selling, character, story, etc), that's a problem, that's another reason why ticket prices have to be lowered.
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I like the idea of lowering ticket prices, but the idea that fan chants are in any way hurting WWE is a reach. The best solution to the problem though is to entertain the audience.

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I like the idea of lowering ticket prices, but the idea that fan chants are in any way hurting WWE is a reach. The best solution to the problem though is to entertain the audience.
The thing is even if you do, they would boo because they know the inner workings of the business and want to change course of booking.

Look at Ryback, he was entertaining and over, but initially they chanted "Goldberg" to be smart.

Look at Goldberg, everyone was happy and entertained when he returned... until he beat a niche favorite in Kevin Owens, regular fans wouldn't care, only fanatics because they don't watch to be entertained, they watch to see if they're favorites get over.

Becky Lynch is a perfect example, for months I've read that they "needed" to put her over, and they hijacked with chants... for what? fans aren't entertained, they've left in droves only fanatics because she's pushed.

Lacey Evans is everything most fans want, character & entertaining, and the niche audience who puts in ring above everything killed her because she wasn't from the indy's and because of supposedly being green in ring, when regular fans/casuals don't care about that, only fanatics.

They are a problem, as much as WWE creative is.

They will watch the show no matter what, the casuals won't and that's proven true with ratings.

WWE either needs to lower ticket prices or ignore that niche vocal minority along with improving their booking.
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I stopped reading at Lacey Evans.
She's very subpar in the ring, she's okay at the best of times on the mic, and her character is almost non-existent. It's there, but it's not anything major that sets her apart.
I don't blame you there at all

This is the same guy who's trying to claim that the fans are somehow to blame for damaging Lacey Evans's potential "talent" who is "what the general audience wants" (even though crowds don't give a shit about her), that Baron Corbin is more over overall than a crowd favorite like Seth Rollins, and that one wrestler is somehow to blame for the low numbers

For the record, the wrestling aspect definitely matters. If a wrestler is able to get himself or herself over because of one's own in-ring ability, then it's no more less important than a talent getting over due to one's own mic skills, character, or charisma. As long as wrestlers continue getting themselves over with crowds due to their in-ring ability, then that aspect is always going to matter (in spite of the naysayers who dislike that quality).

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Fans will stop hijacking, not that they do it that much, when WWE starts giving us entertaining shows.
Yep, if the WWE actually did deliver solid shows on a weekly basis, then that's honestly the best way for them to stop crowds from hijacking a show (even though that doesn't really happen that often nowadays).

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I don't blame you there at all.

This is the same guy who's trying to claim that the fans are somehow to blame for damaging Lacey Evans's potential "talent" (even though crowds don't give a shit about her), that Baron Corbin is more over overall than a crowd favorite like Seth Rollins, and that one wrestler is somehow to blame for the low numbers
Crowds don't matter, tickets are expensive and only fanatics go.

500,000 people at most(assuming they get 10,000 each), that's being generous because they don't get 10,000 each show, they're tarped. it's more like 250,000-300,000 in attendance yearly

300,000 fanatics who pay extravagant amount of money and travel far for wrestling shows, do not represent the average wrestling fan at home, they do not represent the 1.5 million viewers who stopped watching since last year, they don't represent the remaining 2 million where weekly more and more tune out, hence why they're fanatics.

You do not prioritize 300,000 people over your 3.5 million viewers. using 300,000(or less because we both know he isn't cheered every week) people who cheer Seth Rollins or boo Lacey Evans as proof isn't smart.

It makes it look even worse, they're damaging the product.

Why should WWE cater to 300,000 fanatics over the 1.5 people they had at home who left?

Explain that to me.

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Yep, if the WWE actually did deliver solid shows on a weekly basis, then that's honestly the best way for them to stop crowds from hijacking a show (even though that doesn't really happen that often nowadays).
They're not, they delivered Goldberg, everyone was excited, ratings improved, yet the niche fanatical contrarians in the crowd booed.

There's a clear statistical disconnect between the viewers at home and fanatics who buy the overpriced tickets.

There's no casuals at these shows, regular people aren't paying for expensive tickets, the crowds do not reflect the mass audience.

Cheers and Noise don't mean a cent, it's the amount of people watching, that's what matters.

Seth Rollins can get cheered by less than 300,000 people, but if 1.5 change the channel because of him, then he's bad for business.
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To the rest of the world, what happens in the ring is the least important aspect.
If you think "the rest of the world" is predisposed to care about pro wrestling at all, and is just waiting for WWE to give them a reason to start watching en masse, you're alarmingly wrong.

When the "storytelling and character" aspects of pro wrestling are at their absolute best, they still can't compete with a middle-of-the-road movie or TV show. That wasn't necessarily a problem during the Monday Night Wars, when anything even vaguely Jerry Springer-flavored could draw a national audience; or around the time of WrestleMania I, when anything MTV touched instantly acquired an aura of being shiny and new. And even those brief, anomalous moments in time required something that doesn't exist anymore: a mass audience you could reasonably try to appeal to broadly, because TV wasn't specialized enough (and that kind of mass media hadn't really expanded beyond TV) to cater specifically to anybody's niche interests. But now? In the era of Peak TV, when there are more beloved and critically-acclaimed dramas and comedies to choose from than ever before, airing on platforms that can get as niche as any viewer could want? Who the hell do you think even thinks about pro wrestling?

The answer is right in front of you: the people you call "fanatics." There is nobody else. To the extent that there ever WAS anybody else, it wasn't sustainable over the long term. I can't imagine there will ever be anybody else again. And that is not a function of what is or isn't on the shows. It's the natural state of things.

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