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I would give Sonya Deville a mention, but I feel like I need to see her wrestle more matches with any of the women that I already mentioned.
I don't think Sonya is as good as a lot of people says she is. I find her work too jittery, spontaneous and she's always just been hit or miss. She has potential, sure. She's tough as nails, yes. But I'm confident in saying a good, slick enough matworker and thinking woman's type of wrestler like Sasha or Charlotte can make Sonya look amateur.

The way to beat Sonya is to wait for her to make a mistake, which she usually does, and make her really pay for it in the old school manner of intense stretching. Simple-minded stand-up game brawling with her is never a good idea. But then it is necessary either...

Ronda, for instance, would embarrass the shit out of Sonya. She's the queen of counter-engagement and would likely tap out Sonya 9 out of 10 times. Which is why if I'm making a top 4 against 4HW, I know Ronda's going to be in it, and Sonya is not.
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I don't think Sonya is as good as a lot of people says she is. I find her work too jittery, spontaneous and she's always just been hit or miss. She has potential, sure. She's tough as nails, yes. But I'm confident in saying a good, slick enough matworker and thinking woman's type of wrestler like Sasha or Charlotte can make Sonya look amateur.

The way to beat Sonya is to wait for her to make a mistake, which she usually does, and make her really pay for it in the old school manner of intense stretching. Simple-minded stand-up game brawling with her is never a good idea. But then it is necessary either...

Ronda, for instance, would embarrass the shit out of Sonya. She's the queen of counter-engagement and would likely tap out Sonya 9 out of 10 times. Which is why if I'm making a top 4 against 4HW, I know Ronda's going to be in it, and Sonya is not.
I agree with this, I will never understand what people see in her. Like, she did a couple of good spots in the Elimination Chamber and suddenly she is this great, underrated worker that has never had a chance, but whenever she has had singles matches hasn't produced anything memorable, even against someone like Asuka.
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I don't think Sonya is as good as a lot of people says she is. I find her work too jittery, spontaneous and she's always just been hit or miss. She has potential, sure. She's tough as nails, yes. But I'm confident in saying a good, slick enough matworker and thinking woman's type of wrestler like Sasha or Charlotte can make Sonya look amateur.

The way to beat Sonya is to wait for her to make a mistake, which she usually does, and make her really pay for it in the old school manner of intense stretching. Simple-minded stand-up game brawling with her is never a good idea. But then it is necessary either...

Ronda, for instance, would embarrass the shit out of Sonya. She's the queen of counter-engagement and would likely tap out Sonya 9 out of 10 times. Which is why if I'm making a top 4 against 4HW, I know Ronda's going to be in it, and Sonya is not.
This sounds like a kayfabe analysis of her real life wrestling performance. I'm really struggling to understand it...
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This sounds like a kayfabe analysis of her real life wrestling performance. I'm really struggling to understand it...
No, it's all wrestling. Hold for hold. Grappling. Countermanuvers. We examine this with Sonya and Sonya is not that good of a wrestler. She's tenacious, but she's isn't a natural mat wrestler, certainly not as any of the 4HW.

EDIT: I'd say she's hold her best against Becky though, just to add.

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Io and Asuka are levels above them.



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re: Which females on the main roster can hang with the 4HW in terms of in-ring ability?

Women who are just as good in the ring as the 4HW? Asuka, Kairi, Mickie James, Ruby Riot, Ember Moon, Natalya, Paige(before injury).

Honorable Mentions: Sonya Deville and Alexa. Not as good in the ring as the 4HW but can perform well with them.

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Asuka for sure....and she needs to resurface to challenge for one of these belts!!!!!

Ember I believe can do it and Nikki Cross has potential. Natalya of course is good in the ring as well, but even after more than a decade, she never reached the level of relevancy as the 4HW.
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Why is Natalya being listed? She's fucking awful lol, always has been. One of the most overrated wrestlers of all time.
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No, it's all wrestling. Hold for hold. Grappling. Countermanuvers. We examine this with Sonya and Sonya is not that good of a wrestler. She's tenacious, but she's isn't a natural mat wrestler, certainly not as any of the 4HW.

EDIT: I'd say she's hold her best against Becky though, just to add.
Ronda is not a mat wrestler either, in fact very few people on the main roster, male or female, are. It's not even a valid criticism because there are many different kinds of wrestlers and technical wrestlers are just one kind; Sonya is a striker.

I'm not sure if you realized this but Ronda only knows one scripted match that includes a couple of scripted counters and mat transitions, she's not actually out there stretching people. When it comes to performing as a sports entertainer rather than a mat wrestler, Sonya is better at striking, bumping and varied storytelling.

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Ronda is not a mat wrestler either, in fact very few people on the main roster, male or female, are. It's not even a valid criticism because there are many different kinds of wrestlers and technical wrestlers are just one kind; Sonya is a striker.

I'm not sure if you realized this but Ronda only knows one scripted match that includes a couple of scripted counters and mat transitions, she's not actually out there stretching people. When it comes to performing as a sports entertainer rather than a mat wrestler, Sonya is better at striking, bumping and varied storytelling.
At the end of the day Ronda has had good to great singles matches with Nia, Charlotte, Nikki Bella and Sasha, and that mixed tag at Mania that stole the show, while Sonya hasn't had any memorable matches, not even on NXT

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