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post #21 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-21-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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Re: The problem with Vince Burying Fan driven wrestlers.

It's quite scary to think that if Vince had this same mindset 20 years ago Stone Cold Steve Austin would have not been a thing. Nothing about Austin appeals to Vince but the fans told him he was going to be a star and he listened.
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It's quite scary to think that if Vince had this same mindset 20 years ago Stone Cold Steve Austin would have not been a thing. Nothing about Austin appeals to Vince but the fans told him he was going to be a star and he listened.
Vince chose Austin out of pure survival. His grand plan was to have Diesel/Shawn Michaels babyface champions leading him into the 2000s. Diesel tanked and left. Michaels did what he could, but he wasn't a draw.

Bret chose Austin to be his return opponent at SS 96. The only reason Austin won KOTR in the first place was HHH getting punished.

Vince kept trying and trying to find something to counter WCW, but nothing by his design was working. Austin forced his way into the limelight and essentially dragged Vince/WWF along with him.

The only thing Vince really did right with Austin was NOT get in the way and fuck him up
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The only thing Vince really did right with Austin was NOT get in the way and fuck him up
Thatís really not quite right.

Regardless of how Austin got there (and it could have happened regardless of circumstance, and I believe it would have), VKM did not just step out of the way.

He saw what he had. And what he didnít: he didnít have a foil, a heel to help get people behind Austin. So he filled that role himself with the Mr. McMahon character.

That was essential to Austinís success.

Austin was basically this: beer-guzzling, cussing, redneck who didnít like authority.

Go back to that time. Basically Austin WAS what a large percentage of the audience was. And if you werenít that beer-guzzling, cussing, problem-with-authority person, chances are your father was.

And who did your dad in the wifebeater watching TV with a six-pack in his lap hate the most? His boss. That mean old man who didnít have to sweat and made you do it to earn your wage.

Austin was raging against what half of America was unhappy with ... their lot in life and being under the thumb of a boss who they didnít have the guts to stand up to ó but Steve did.

That, essentially, is what made Austin. And without Mr. McMahon ó if he was feuding simply with another wrestler over a belt ó heís just a good hand with a decent gimmick but not the biggest-drawing superstar of all time.

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post #24 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-21-2019, 03:15 PM
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Re: The problem with Vince Burying Fan driven wrestlers.

I think it just boils back to vince being an old man now.

old people generally do not like change, you walk into an old person's house, its like stepping back in time. They just freeze up in a certain mindset and refuse to move forward.

old people are also generally not open to new things, you try and teach about something and they just close down, they are stubborn and believe the old ways are best. Maybe its just their brains reaching a point where it doesn't feel the need to learn new things but rather just protect its comfort zone in its old age as a means of keeping themselves safe. Their past outweighs their future. Its rather understandable that vince mightve lost his desire to have adventures in his work. Hes basically done everything hes going to.

Vince is likely just out of touch with the modern world and doesnt actually want to change anything, he just wants to do things like he always has. Any attempt to change his mindset is just met with the same wall. He might acknowledge what you are saying but he will quickly throw it to the side and carry on in the same lane.

as Ive said before, the change wwe needs lies within vince stepping aside. He is the core issue, his ways of working are only strangling the product. Its fairly evident at this point that vince cannot lead wwe into a new successful period if it ever stands of chance of having one. Any genius he had is long gone.

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