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Welp. I'm sure that the people on here that dick rides the Attitude Era so damn much will be happy as fuck to hear this!
You must be a youngin' who didn't get to experience it first hand.

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I'll believe it when I see it. Ive lost count of the times people have expected that the WWE was about to get edgier. They do little things here and there but it never lasts.
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Of course, the biggest issue with "reviving" the Attitude Era is that half of the stuff that made the Attitude Era a hit is not acceptable in today's society!

We wouldn't tolerate the treatment of female wrestlers as simply lumps of meat in bikinis, for the commentators to make filthy comments about. Nor should we. The same goes for Bra & Panties matches and bikini contests. All staples of the Attitude Era.

The same can be said of hardcore wrestling, stiff weapons shots and blood-filled matches. They're just not possible in today's WWE because they are dangerous to the talent, and they would lose WWE's sponsorships from toy manufacturers as well as their very young viewers whose viewing is controlled by parents.

Yeah, we're talking about the last hour of RAW, and the young kids shouldn't be up that late anyway ... but first, can anyone really see parents allowing kids to watch RAW's first 2 hours, and then insisting that the kid goes to bed? I'd be shocked if that is the case in 99% of homes. And second, literally every segment of WWE TV is available to be watched any time of the day on YouTube and the WWE Network ... so placing the "post-watershed" content in the last hour of RAW is totally meaningless anyway.
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Thats all well and good but you got a horrible creative team and a horrible senile old man that runs the company, you could enter a time machine and bring back every star of the attitude era, bring them back, put them into today's product and it'll still be shit.

It matters not what you bring back, it;s how it;s brought back and what you do with it that matters.
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You must be a youngin' who didn't get to experience it first hand.
No. I was actually a kid when the AE was happening. It was a fun time but a lot of it was crap honestly.

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This is EXACTLY what I think they may be thinking. I said this somewhat in another thread.

The ATTITUDE ERA was originally VERY organic. When Austin was pissed off about bureaucratic red tape he was speaking from a real place because of what he went through. He was poised to be a future WCW Champion until Hogan and Duggan showed up lol.

He didn't like the authority giving him gimmicks originally in WWE either. His attitude came shining through the tv screens and fans knew it. Then storylines were created AROUND it.

WWE today creates these storylines that aren't organic to the wrestlers, thus it doesn't seem genuine. It only gets worse when the guys don't have the experience to turn crap into something decent which the roster Vince had in 96-98 could do. They were seasoned veterans.

Bret Hart was pissed HBK was taking over from him and fans could just feel it as well. Bret Hart's frustration with American fans also was organic because they now turned their backs on him for more hardcore ECW type wrestlers or high flyers.

WWE has forgotten that you craft AROUND the wrestler and not AT the wrestlers. This is why things aren't sticking.

When Hogan turned heel it was justified and seemed organic and even him joining Hall and Nash made sense. Things wrote themselves due to the circumstances that were happening at the time.

WWE in 2019 is so much removed from that style of booking and the idea of having a team of writers write made up things for wrestlers with no heat is why nothing is organically hot anymore.

Daniel Bryan is perhaps the last real time they wrote around the wrestler and organic nature. Brock Lesnar also was originally written properly around the time of the streak breaking. They have just gone too far with him now and part of it is that they completely miscalculated Roman Reigns(another person they didn't write AROUND, but AT creating this forced mission).
They pay Hollywood writers, Bruce Prichard and Steph a lot of fuckin' money and they don't lay shit out like you just did.
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This is EXACTLY what I think they may be thinking. I said this somewhat in another thread.

The ATTITUDE ERA was originally VERY organic. When Austin was pissed off about bureaucratic red tape he was speaking from a real place because of what he went through. He was poised to be a future WCW Champion until Hogan and Duggan showed up lol.

He didn't like the authority giving him gimmicks originally in WWE either. His attitude came shining through the tv screens and fans knew it. Then storylines were created AROUND it.

WWE today creates these storylines that aren't organic to the wrestlers, thus it doesn't seem genuine. It only gets worse when the guys don't have the experience to turn crap into something decent which the roster Vince had in 96-98 could do. They were seasoned veterans.

Bret Hart was pissed HBK was taking over from him and fans could just feel it as well. Bret Hart's frustration with American fans also was organic because they now turned their backs on him for more hardcore ECW type wrestlers or high flyers.

WWE has forgotten that you craft AROUND the wrestler and not AT the wrestlers. This is why things aren't sticking.

When Hogan turned heel it was justified and seemed organic and even him joining Hall and Nash made sense. Things wrote themselves due to the circumstances that were happening at the time.

WWE in 2019 is so much removed from that style of booking and the idea of having a team of writers write made up things for wrestlers with no heat is why nothing is organically hot anymore.

Daniel Bryan is perhaps the last real time they wrote around the wrestler and organic nature. Brock Lesnar also was originally written properly around the time of the streak breaking. They have just gone too far with him now and part of it is that they completely miscalculated Roman Reigns(another person they didn't write AROUND, but AT creating this forced mission).
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It's incredible that nearly 20 years later they STILL haven't moved on.

Yes, it was a great time for wrestling, it was cool to watch, your ratings were through the roof and you were regularly mentioned in the mainstream media but fuck me, EVOLVE. You've done everything you can to preventing new generations from taking the ball, running with it, getting over and making your company entertaining.

You've shackled everyone you can. You cling on to anything mainstream to try and make yourselves relevant. You make champions in other sports their own personalised "WWE Title" like they give a shit, just so you can get a few social media likes and make it seem like you have some sort of social media acceptance. Fuck off.

Why do you want another "Attitude Era"? - Why not just create a new fucking era that's different to what you've put out before? Unshackle your fucking talent so they can give you things that you may not have seen before? Instead of comparing them to past stars or putting them below older stars of the past.

In 2000, you weren't fucking bringing back stars from the 80s and putting them above your talent at the time were you? No. You were blazing a trail and giving us something we had never seen on YOUR product before. Do the same now.
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This says it all right there and why WWE with this mindset completely forgot what the Attitude Era really was about.

It was counter culture. It was anti-establishment.

Here's a list of things why the Attitude Era was more than just writing a storyline or doing some crazy stunts.

1. Vince Mcmahon and the WWF were underdogs trying to take out the big bad corporation. TODAY, WWE is that big bad corporation.

2. Fans were rebelling against sell out stars who left them for bigger pay outs. The fans started siding with the underdog wrestlers.

3. Rock and Austin were the two biggest stars and their paths were organic. Rock was booed because he was being promoted as a star that the fans had started to rebel against. The corporate champion crafted for PR reasons by Vince Mcmahon.

They turned this around for Rock by allowing him to be more of himself and the fans loved his new attitude. Steve Austin was cheered because he would NOT be what Vince wanted in Rocky Maivia. See a trend here?

4. Mick Foley the perennial underdog finally getting is just due although he was ended up being exploited by the corporation. His backstory was actually real with Dude Love and fans ate it up as he really dreamed of being WWF Champion. Now contrast that with how they did HBK's run and why fans started to turn on Shawn Michaels.

5. The WWE became more realistic or blurred the lines better when they exposed Vince as the real boss and exploited the real situation out of Montreal.

You see much of this stuff didn't just come out of the figment of the mind of a non fan writer. These were things that were seeded and acted upon with precision for promotion that created personalities fans could relate to.

The WWE started to move away from this in 1999, got some of that mojo back in 2000, got bloated in 2001, and by 2002 did some weird hybrid by the fall which turned into Ruthless Aggression.


This is why I have issue with some mantra that says they will bring back the Attitude Era as if it was only hardcore or trashy storylines that made that era work. It was FAR more intricate than that and poor Foley being from that era knows NO ONE on this roster could even pull of that sit down interview he did with JR. THOSE things made the Attitude Era work far more than Mae Young giving birth or Austin hitting Vince with a deadpan. Those things were sprinkled on top, but were not the sizzle that came with the steak.

WWE making these proclamations let me know they have become so "branded" in everything they forgot the nuances that made them what they were.
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