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Wrong. they never predicted this . They only pretended to know the reason AFTER it happened. All opinion. Both were talking about who her opponent was going to be for the title at WM , even the night before she lost against Charlotte.
Yup, then I also remember Ryan Satin, JD and Dalxyman predicting that Charlotte would win at WM and at the Royal Rumble. Look how that turned out. Remember how many other podcasters and so called inside knowledge thought Becky was going to lose Charlotte and Ronda last fall, didn't happen.

Now that Becky is facing Charlotte right now and suddenly plans changed from their so called WM 36 match next year.

These people really don't know who is winning matches expect the people on the betting odds site, they are just giving out their opinion. Just like the whole Sasha Banks sat on the floor like a baby which was proven false.

No one on here really knows who is going to win any pay per view match especially with this whole wild card shit.
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Yup, then I also remember Ryan Satin, JD and Dalxyman predicting that Charlotte would win at WM and at the Royal Rumble. Look how that turned out. Remember how many other podcasters and so called inside knowledge thought Becky was going to lose Charlotte and Ronda last fall, didn't happen.

Now that Becky is facing Charlotte right now and suddenly plans changed from their so called WM 36 match next year.

These people really don't know who is winning matches expect the people on the betting odds site, they are just giving out their opinion. Just like the whole Sasha Banks sat on the floor like a baby which was proven false.

No one on here really knows who is going to win any pay per view match especially with this whole wild card shit.
This. For sure, Vegas odds have always been the only proof positive I have ever known of, doesn't always work but does a lot of times...and if there is a huge favorite plans don't change, hardly ever. I remember when Bray was set on winning Elimination Chamber a few years back and looking at the Vegas odds prior to the PPV and he was a Hurge favorite, and sure enough....

Vegas gets it more often than not, thats why if I was a betting man I'd bet on Bran to be sitting on the Iron Throne Sunday.
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Wrong. they never predicted this . They only pretended to know the reason AFTER it happened. All opinion. Both were talking about who her opponent was going to be for the title at WM , even the night before she lost against Charlotte.
They both reported something "big" and "WrestleMania changing" was going to happen with Asuka in the hours leading up to the show.

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Yup, then I also remember Ryan Satin, JD and Dalxyman predicting that Charlotte would win at WM and at the Royal Rumble. Look how that turned out. Remember how many other podcasters and so called inside knowledge thought Becky was going to lose Charlotte and Ronda last fall, didn't happen.

Now that Becky is facing Charlotte right now and suddenly plans changed from their so called WM 36 match next year.

These people really don't know who is winning matches expect the people on the betting odds site, they are just giving out their opinion. Just like the whole Sasha Banks sat on the floor like a baby which was proven false.

No one on here really knows who is going to win any pay per view match especially with this whole wild card shit.
Ryan Satin predicted Charlotte would win. He never claimed to have insider knowledge on the finish. It was just a prediction. That happens all the time with Bryan Alvarez, the guy will make a prediction on his show, and the next day the dirtsheets will turn it into a headline and report it as a scoop.



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This. For sure, Vegas odds have always been the only proof positive I have ever known of, doesn't always work but does a lot of times...and if there is a huge favorite plans don't change, hardly ever. I remember when Bray was set on winning Elimination Chamber a few years back and looking at the Vegas odds prior to the PPV and he was a Hurge favorite, and sure enough....

Vegas gets it more often than not, thats why if I was a betting man I'd bet on Bran to be sitting on the Iron Throne Sunday.
Oh, also Dave Metlzer has had his plans changed shit back then too. Thank god I saved the Archives/Tidbits for all of his talks from teh 80's to the this era.

"There is some talk, already posted here, that Undertaker will win
the title and Yokozuna will turn babyface. " 3 weeks before Royal Rumble in which Taker did not beat Yoko for the title and Yoko did not turn face that year either.

" - The Undertaker is on the cover of the 1994 WWF Calendar. Big deal?
Well, many people are figuring that that means that Vince thinks
the Undertaker is the number one babyface in the company, which
leads to speculation of UT winning the WWF Title.
" 93

" The Star also reports that Rowdy Piper is being talked to about
having a match against Lex Luger. My inference is that this is
an attempt to mimmick the "Ultimate Warrior effect" by having
Luger beat a well-known babyface to give him some much-needed
stature and I'm pretty doubtful, considering the source.' Same year.

"There is talk that Diesel will get bumped into the main event, turning
the title match into a triangle match and making room for Shawn
Michaels to enter the Rumble as a "surprise."" Royal Rumble title match 96.

So yeah Dave Melzter was full of shit half of the time.
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Oh, also Dave Metlzer has had his plans changed shit back then too. Thank god I saved the Archives/Tidbits for all of his talks from teh 80's to the this era.

"There is some talk, already posted here, that Undertaker will win
the title and Yokozuna will turn babyface. " 3 weeks before Royal Rumble in which Taker did not beat Yoko for the title and Yoko did not turn face that year either.

" - The Undertaker is on the cover of the 1994 WWF Calendar. Big deal?
Well, many people are figuring that that means that Vince thinks
the Undertaker is the number one babyface in the company, which
leads to speculation of UT winning the WWF Title.
" 93

" The Star also reports that Rowdy Piper is being talked to about
having a match against Lex Luger. My inference is that this is
an attempt to mimmick the "Ultimate Warrior effect" by having
Luger beat a well-known babyface to give him some much-needed
stature and I'm pretty doubtful, considering the source.' Same year.

"There is talk that Diesel will get bumped into the main event, turning
the title match into a triangle match and making room for Shawn
Michaels to enter the Rumble as a "surprise."" Royal Rumble title match 96.

So yeah Dave Melzter was full of shit half of the time.
And never forget (I hope this thread gets archived as legendary for this one):

From the July 1, 1996 Wrestling Observer Newsletter:

As for the identity of the third party in the 7/7 main event, it's really a secret. Lex Luger, which was the original plan, I can't see happening because it would be almost an exact duplicate of the Steve McMichael angle and it's too soon to do it again. It could still happen but I don't think it will. Bischoff, Hall and Nash were discussing names this past week with Mabel as the top candidate, Crush being considered for a brief period and then dismissed. All agreed Bret Hart would be the best candidate and WCW even floated the idea it would be Hart on its hotline over the weekend (you'd think after the lawsuit they'd refrain from doing that crap) but Hart has turned down every offer thrown his way. Supposedly Bischoff has in the past few days told Hall and Nash to trust him on this one, but admitted that if they bring someone other than Hart in, and it isn't going to be Hart, that it will come across as a letdown. It also could be another WCW wrestler turning on the company.

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Were dirt sheets a thing during the later stages of AE/RA era? Genuine question cause I found this place about 2010
Yes, Meltzer has been covering wrestling since the 80's if I recall.
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Yes, Meltzer has been covering wrestling since the 80's if I recall.
Metlzer has been covering wrestling since 1983 and then all of this bullshit started.
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So again why post it? It is nothing but noise according to what you are saying.
Maybe because people keep asking about it? Rumors are reported in every industry.

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Meltzer reported Roman vs Brock would be the main event of WM34 the night of WM33.
Meltzer gets lots of stuff right. It's naive and completely blind to not appreciate that he talks to people in the industry. The one I always go back to is when he predicted the Fingerpoke of Doom from in the middle of 1998. I also had the 2017 Royal Rumble "spoiled" (not that I care) by him. He's also said a lot of stuff recently in regards to things like Ronda Rousey leaving and the Bret/Tom Magee match that people said "bullshit" about, but got proven accurate.

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This. For sure, Vegas odds have always been the only proof positive I have ever known of, doesn't always work but does a lot of times...and if there is a huge favorite plans don't change, hardly ever. I remember when Bray was set on winning Elimination Chamber a few years back and looking at the Vegas odds prior to the PPV and he was a Hurge favorite, and sure enough....

Vegas gets it more often than not, thats why if I was a betting man I'd bet on Bran to be sitting on the Iron Throne Sunday.
Where do you think the odd-makers get it from?

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They both reported something "big" and "WrestleMania changing" was going to happen with Asuka in the hours leading up to the show.


Ryan Satin predicted Charlotte would win. He never claimed to have insider knowledge on the finish. It was just a prediction. That happens all the time with Bryan Alvarez, the guy will make a prediction on his show, and the next day the dirtsheets will turn it into a headline and report it as a scoop.
It's amazing how many people can't tell the difference between news and speculation. I guess the people who can't do this actually don't listen to the actual sources in question, so they assume everything is predicted as cold, hard fact, which is erroneous to do, but you'd think they'd listen when people tell them "Um..."

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Oh, also Dave Metlzer has had his plans changed shit back then too. Thank god I saved the Archives/Tidbits for all of his talks from teh 80's to the this era.

"There is some talk, already posted here, that Undertaker will win
the title and Yokozuna will turn babyface. " 3 weeks before Royal Rumble in which Taker did not beat Yoko for the title and Yoko did not turn face that year either.

" - The Undertaker is on the cover of the 1994 WWF Calendar. Big deal?
Well, many people are figuring that that means that Vince thinks
the Undertaker is the number one babyface in the company, which
leads to speculation of UT winning the WWF Title.
" 93

" The Star also reports that Rowdy Piper is being talked to about
having a match against Lex Luger. My inference is that this is
an attempt to mimmick the "Ultimate Warrior effect" by having
Luger beat a well-known babyface to give him some much-needed
stature and I'm pretty doubtful, considering the source.' Same year.

"There is talk that Diesel will get bumped into the main event, turning
the title match into a triangle match and making room for Shawn
Michaels to enter the Rumble as a "surprise."" Royal Rumble title match 96.

So yeah Dave Melzter was full of shit half of the time.
Okay, I'll play:

You quote Meltzer saying there was talk. I'm willing to bet there was talk. That's not the same thing as saying it is definitely 100% going to happen. A grade-schooler knows this.

Again, you're talking about speculation in the business. How can you not read what is being said when you're giving them as examples?

In your next example he actually says it's his inference. Wtf are these examples?

"There is talk..." What do you think this means?

It's not being full of shit to report on scuttlebutt. If Meltzer said "Diesel is definitely going to be in a Triangle Match" and then he isn't, you'd have a ghost of a point with this.

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And never forget (I hope this thread gets archived as legendary for this one):

From the July 1, 1996 Wrestling Observer Newsletter:

As for the identity of the third party in the 7/7 main event, it's really a secret. Lex Luger, which was the original plan, I can't see happening because it would be almost an exact duplicate of the Steve McMichael angle and it's too soon to do it again. It could still happen but I don't think it will. Bischoff, Hall and Nash were discussing names this past week with Mabel as the top candidate, Crush being considered for a brief period and then dismissed. All agreed Bret Hart would be the best candidate and WCW even floated the idea it would be Hart on its hotline over the weekend (you'd think after the lawsuit they'd refrain from doing that crap) but Hart has turned down every offer thrown his way. Supposedly Bischoff has in the past few days told Hall and Nash to trust him on this one, but admitted that if they bring someone other than Hart in, and it isn't going to be Hart, that it will come across as a letdown. It also could be another WCW wrestler turning on the company.
Was Bret Hart reported on the hotline? It turned out to be another WCW wrestler turning on the company, and is well-known to be one of the more closely guarded secrets in wrestling.
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Maybe because people keep asking about it? Rumors are reported in every industry.



Meltzer gets lots of stuff right. It's naive and completely blind to not appreciate that he talks to people in the industry. The one I always go back to is when he predicted the Fingerpoke of Doom from in the middle of 1998. I also had the 2017 Royal Rumble "spoiled" (not that I care) by him. He's also said a lot of stuff recently in regards to things like Ronda Rousey leaving and the Bret/Tom Magee match that people said "bullshit" about, but got proven accurate.



Where do you think the odd-makers get it from?



It's amazing how many people can't tell the difference between news and speculation. I guess the people who can't do this actually don't listen to the actual sources in question, so they assume everything is predicted as cold, hard fact, which is erroneous to do, but you'd think they'd listen when people tell them "Um..."



Okay, I'll play:

You quote Meltzer saying there was talk. I'm willing to bet there was talk. That's not the same thing as saying it is definitely 100% going to happen. A grade-schooler knows this.

Again, you're talking about speculation in the business. How can you not read what is being said when you're giving them as examples?

In your next example he actually says it's his inference. Wtf are these examples?

"There is talk..." What do you think this means?

It's not being full of shit to report on scuttlebutt. If Meltzer said "Diesel is definitely going to be in a Triangle Match" and then he isn't, you'd have a ghost of a point with this.



Was Bret Hart reported on the hotline? It turned out to be another WCW wrestler turning on the company, and is well-known to be one of the more closely guarded secrets in wrestling.



Skip to an hour 40 in and give it a listen. One example of many to why I can't take any of the stuff he reports with anything but a grain of salt.

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