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Ok I apologize putting words in your mouth about liking the product today. I'm just pointing out that there has always been bitching and complaining even in the glory years. The difference now though is that people are quitting the show and not just whining.

There will always be moments for fans to ponder, but there always won't be fans who keep watching and complaining. I know A LOT of people who use to complain 10 years ago(look at the forum members on there and compare to now with threads for example) who stopped watching altogether and won't be comparing today's product because they simply stopped watching.

Someone pointed out how when Vince appears on tv people still pop for him although plenty of people complain about the product. What people say and do are two different things and by going off people's reaction to the product in comparison from WM 30 til now you could see some are not just talking the talk. They have stopped caring or commenting on the new product.

I'm saying just because people always bitch and complain and still watch doesn't mean they don't have any validity in their complaints. The majority of the people in comparison from 10 years ago have stopped caring or watching and it is down to them having issues with the show.
People also quit 10 years ago and there are still the ones that complained. Similarly today, people quit and still complain and nothing has changed except a rapid speed of declining which we can all agree.

Just wait till next year and there will be a new thread on how 2019 was better than 2020 and so on. For example, the build-up feud of Orton/Styles was heavily praised along with KofiMania or Becky and Ronda face-to-face which are great moments of 2019 and these moments will be remember in the future and praised how 2019 was a lot better than they thought.

I dont why you're trying to defend folks from decade ago given that wr have the same problems now and it will not change.
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People also quit 10 years ago and there are still the ones that complained. Similarly today, people quit and still complain and nothing has changed except a rapid speed of declining which we can all agree.

Just wait till next year and there will be a new thread on how 2019 was better than 2020 and so on. For example, the build-up feud of Orton/Styles was heavily praised along with KofiMania or Becky and Ronda face-to-face which are great moments of 2019 and these moments will be remember in the future and praised how 2019 was a lot better than they thought.

I dont why you're trying to defend folks from decade ago given that wr have the same problems now and it will not change.
Ok let me put it another way. The people watching now may say 2019 is better than 2018 and so on and vice versa. What I am saying is that doesn't actually tell the general consensus of the once huge wrestling fan populace. There are much more people who will say this time period just sucked and they will have no good memories because they were tuned in to watch.

The people watching now are a niche and are watching anyways. I bring up people 10 years ago who kept their word and stopped watching all together to show that WWE and certain people should not take the fans for granted. They got fed up and do get fed up and I could see people now who are sticking around may end up getting fed up in a couple of years as their hope of this company turning things around doesn't come to fruition. We may actually seeing it decline even more.

You are assuming that just because something is being done now and following a certain path of things in the past that will always be the case(such as assuming people will look back and change their perceptions on things). You assume that fans are seeing things through rose tinted glasses all the time, but this is not the case.

They like what they like and reminisce on what they liked. They also option out completely. What you are alluding to is the exact mindset WWE has. It's a reason why WWE keeps out churning crap because they feel the fans are just picky just for the sake of being picky. Remember that old saying that they know better than the fans? Yeah they once did, but that is not the case now. Just because it was so at one time doesn't mean it will always be so. The truth is fans are complaining for a reason, but they also subconsciously try to convince themselves of good things(for example you mention KofiMania and Ronday Rousey/Becky) that they find in a dump fire, but just ignore the garbage that is burning which some are staying far away from (the bigger wrestling audience who are not watching which is causing the low ratings) and just want to remember why they became fans to begin with.

People are tuning out more than they were a decade ago and is not the same as before when people would complain and still watch. There is a new trend happening here compared to 10 years ago.

An example is Roman Reigns vs John Cena push. The fans 10 years later were not having it and the patience was not there for Roman as it was for Cena.

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It's probably better today than it was ten years ago but I don't enjoy it as much.

I have an amusement park close to where I live. It used to be amazing. Free parking in a dirt lot, the place was never busy, had some weird rides and spots in the park, like the smallest water park area ever. I loved it. They've been expanding. On paper it's better. A lot more rides, the parking lot is paved, they keep expanding. I can't stand it because it's gone fully corporate and lost what it was.

WWE has lost everything that made it fun despite having a much better roster. Not that they had all that much of it left 10 years ago but there was still some of it going then.
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So no offense to anyone, but anyone who say's the WWE is at it's lowest point right now did not live through the incarnation of the same promotion in the late 70's, and early 90's.....and then again around 2009....

There is hope lol. I don't have much but Hogan/Slaughter came along in 84, Austin Rock did too in the late 90's.....here's hoping for a new star to breakthrough.

I think as long as storytelling is alive there will always be room for a really great new breakthrough star to bring wrestling back to the mainstream, much like Hogan, Slaughter, Austin, nWo, Rock, Goldberg, and somewhat others.......I mean to a lesser extent Taker, HBK, Angle, Brock and Cena got us some high points.....I guess I just have hope that wrestling will always survive because it has at even lower points.

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So no offense to anyone, but anyone who say's the WWE is at it's lowest point right now did not live through the incarnation of the same promotion in the late 70's, and early 90's.....and then again around 2009....

There is hope lol. I don't have much but Hogan/Slaughter came along in 84, Austin Rock did too.....here's hoping for a new star to breakthrough.

I think as long as storytelling is alive there will always be room for a really great new breakthrough star to bring wrestling back to the mainstream, much like Hogan, Slaughter, Austin, nWo, Rock, Goldberg, and somewhat others.......
If we are being technical WWE IS at its lowest point now since WWE as we know it in this incarnation came in 2002. The philosophy of the company being 2 brands under RAW and Smackdown and even NXT if we want to add them is a total different ball game then when Bob Backlund was WWWF Champion.

Given the resources they have now compared to the resources they had in the 70's and early 90's it is night and day. However, it is the groundwork and magic of those times which they learned from to not fall back to those levels of lacking resources.

That was also forced upon them because Ted Turner opened up his pockets in 1994-1998. The big difference now is the industry is severely lacking in comparison. The smaller WWF empire of 1998 actually enhanced the business much more than this incarnation we have now. In fact, the incarnation we have now is all remnant from 1998 with fatter pockets that live off the backs of icons.

I know this is a big debate on here about some who say the talent is inferior now more than ever against those who say otherwise that the talent now is superior.

The real test will come when this roster is put on Fox and they have the challenge of AEW within the next couple or so years(as I believe for it to gain traction with the masses it won't be overnight).

The 70's is a different beast when you consider it not being a Wall Street company and it was private. One thing is for sure, you are right about them being one or two stars away along with a super storyline.

I just don't see it with this presentation or the way they are conducting business from talent standpoint to creative to the overexposure.

We know the old incarnation of 97-99 was a tough as nails one that wouldn't lay down against the big bad wolf in WCW. Does this incarnation have the character to turn things around and topple real threats as its predecessors?

This may be the storyline within itself that may make fans watch as I also feel that the real elements of that Monday Night War was the real draw of bringing fans back in.
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If we are being technical WWE IS at its lowest point now since WWE as we know it in this incarnation came in 2002. The philosophy of the company being 2 brands under RAW and Smackdown and even NXT if we want to add them is a total different ball game then when Bob Backlund was WWWF Champion.

Given the resources they have now compared to the resources they had in the 70's and early 90's it is night and day. However, it is the groundwork and magic of those times which they learned from to not fall back to those levels of lacking resources.

That was also forced upon them because Ted Turner opened up his pockets in 1994-1998. The big difference now is the industry is severely lacking in comparison. The smaller WWF empire of 1998 actually enhanced the business much more than this incarnation we have now. In fact, the incarnation we have now is all remnant from 1998 with fatter pockets that live off the backs of icons.

I know this is a big debate on here about some who say the talent is inferior now more than ever against those who say otherwise that the talent now is superior.

The real test will come when this roster is put on Fox and they have the challenge of AEW within the next couple or so years(as I believe for it to gain traction with the masses it won't be overnight).

The 70's is a different beast when you consider it not being a Wall Street company and it was private. One thing is for sure, you are right about them being one or two stars away along with a super storyline.

I just don't see it with this presentation or the way they are conducting business from talent standpoint to creative to the overexposure.

We know the old incarnation of 97-99 was a tough as nails one that wouldn't lay down against the big bad wolf in WCW. Does this incarnation have the character to turn things around and topple real threats as its predecessors?

This may be the storyline within itself that may make fans watch as I also feel that the real elements of that Monday Night War was the real draw of bringing fans back in.

Fair enough....but I refuse to be fooled into thinking this is a different company.

I mean really Capitol Sports, WWWF, WWF, WWE are the same entity. To say they are not well I don't agree.

You can slap a new name on anything but really what significant changes happened when they changed names?

Really the question was "is wrestling worse" and tons of folks came in and said we are at a low point. That's all I was addressing because that simply is not true.

Fact is the talent now is 100 times better. Compare talent even in 2009 to today, it is night and day. The WWE has signed pretty much all the indy talent outside of a few AEW stars.

This is the same old promotion it was in 63. But are we really complaining? I mean WM is like a Super Bowl attraction for cities trying to get it across America. I live in a city that just had the NFL draft and drew 600,000 people, most talk radio stations were calling for a Wrestlemania next, is wrestling that bad off? But yeah I remember when people were griping about wrestling sucking during the Monday Night Wars too, because it was not the territories....so there's that. Things are not that bad.

And today's Raw is light years better than the 70's product and especially the 80-83 product. I mean really in 1983 the WWF's 2 hour cable show was a talk show format.....a talk show

I know wrestling maybe in a lull in terms of story lines...but seriously the WWE is a juggernaut today, that even Roman cannot ruin. Today's WWE is easily as important as it was at it's peak in 84. And as a fan of the 84 WWF it pains me to admit that, but it's reality.

Proof? Look no further than the success of the Divas and Miz shows on USA.....unheard of success in any other time period. Plus the You Tube subscribers of any wrestling commentator.

Wrestling has gone viral, something it never has done before. But yeah 2019 is a low point.......

I would wager wrestling is in a better place now more than ever in spite of the naysayers. And in spite of my territory upbringing.

This coming from someone who has always thought the WWE was trash....lol. Gotta be honest.
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Can’t quote for some reason but to the guy with people st above this I think you may have missed the point.

Yes The WWE is stronger than ever with cities wanting WM & all the YouTube subscribers etc but the product is terrible it was terrible in 2009 & as bad if not worse now in fact I’d say it’s got progressively worse.

I’m a lapsed fan it’s very rare I watch an episode nowadays, I get my news from the internet, I’m If I’m channel surfing & it’s no I’ll watch for 10/15 mins or so if the segment is decent but that 15 mins tells me everything I need to know, it’s still over produced, still aimed at kids, there are no fueds, I have nothing really to care about.

The problem is the WWE hasn’t moved with its audience, after the RA went back to PG like the 80’s kids grew up in the 90’s didn’t want their intelligence insulted so the kids who were fans in the early 90’s like me that were 11 year old In 1997 loved the new edgey direction & boom it took off.

Wwe has been PG since Benoit & has remained that way, the kids who were fans then are grown up, now I’m doubting they’ve stuck around as the prouduct has not moved with them it’s the same childish stuff that was in 08/09. & now things have less & less meaning so why should they care.

I used to get the argument for being a better worker etc the current Wwe is so devoid of character i’d Sooner have wrestlers that entertained on the mic with a good storyline than a well worked match that I don’t care about
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I was born in 1987, and I've watched wrestling for as long as I can remember.

After WCW went off air, WWE has gone downhill.

I remember the good old days. Sting, Lex Luger, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Kevin Nash, Razor Ramon, Booker T, Vader, Road Warriors, Public Enemy, Macho Man, NWO, Lita, Sable, Nitro Girls, Trish Stratus, Undertaker, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley, Roddy Piper, Ted DiBiase, Bill Goldberg, Chris Jericho, The Godfather, The Ultimate Warrior, Scott Steiner, Jake Roberts, etc.

These folks are a thousand times better than the people on WWE today.

The story lines and action were much better back than.

Throughout the 1990's was the greatest. But after WCW went off air, WWE has been, and it still is, boring, stale and repetitive. To say it has been declining is an understatement. It is already done, and simply living on borrowed time. I don't know if WWE can ever achieve greatness again.
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It's probably better today than it was ten years ago but I don't enjoy it as much.

I have an amusement park close to where I live. It used to be amazing. Free parking in a dirt lot, the place was never busy, had some weird rides and spots in the park, like the smallest water park area ever. I loved it. They've been expanding. On paper it's better. A lot more rides, the parking lot is paved, they keep expanding. I can't stand it because it's gone fully corporate and lost what it was.

WWE has lost everything that made it fun despite having a much better roster. Not that they had all that much of it left 10 years ago but there was still some of it going then.
2009 WWE: Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Edge, Triple H, Batista, CM Punk, Kane, Rey Mysterio, Randy Orton, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Christian, The Hardys, Finlay, MVP, John Morrison, Goldust... most of them in their prime.

I honestly can't understand how can someone say that roster was bad. Women's wrestling was worse and RAW's Guest hosts and anonymous GM was moronic, yeah. But it was way more starpower and, even if Raw wasn't that good, Smackdown and ECW definitely made for it.
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In 30 years as a fan, this is easily the worst time for me.

Mid-90's had Undertaker, Bret Hart, HBK, Diesel, Razor etc with actual storylines and purpose.

2009: Undertaker, HBK, Edge, HHH, CM Punk, Orton, Cena... I mean my God that was a roster, albeit the product was suffering as the TV writers took full control from bookers.

Today though. Honestly, what is there? The roster has SOME good storytellers, but is mostly filled with athletic spot monkeys who have turned wrestling matches into nothing more than a travelling circus. Nothing compelling ever happens, and you can clearly see a company devoid of any clue or idea of what to do. They have a superb product and fanbase in WWE, a good style, but will not even consider moving their main shows to that production.

There's just nothing there anymore, it's gone from fast forwarding some matches and mainly watching finishes and promos, to skipping entire matches and even some promos now. Even the whole show in fast forward is entirely predictable and easy to understand - that's so bad.

There were stupid things in 2009, but at least there was stuff going on with some proper wrestlers. Today there's nothing going on with a generation of sports entertainers more interested in their entrances and suicide dives than their craft.
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