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Re: Is WWE worse now than it was 10 years ago?

2009 Pros
- Better Characters
- More star power
- Decent storylines
- Good commentary (JR was still around)
- Smackdown
- WrestleMania 25
- 2 hour RAW
- Pyro every week

2009 Cons
- RAW
- Cringeworthy segments (Guest Host included)
- Cringeworthy characters
- 2009 perpetrated a lot of gimmick PPVs which I detest.
- Subpar women division


2019 Pros
- More athleticism
- Better Women division
- NXT
- WrestleMania 35

2019 Cons
- RAW
- Smackdown
- No star power
- No good characters
- No storytelling in the ring
- Bad commentary.
- RAW is 3 hours long
- WrestleMania is 7 hours




Personally, 2009 was better. While RAW was cringeworthy as hell to watch, at least you had Smackdown as a good alternative. With the current product, there is no escape from bad booking unless you go outside the WWE ecosystem. 2009 was bad in a cringe-worthy way, but it was still watchable. RAW was akin to watching a bad car crash and Smackdown was actually enjoyable. However, 2019 has been so boring that it would be impossible for me to watch it without falling asleep.


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Of course. 2009 had active Undertaker putting on good/great matches. DX vs Legacy which was a good feud. Jeri-Show. 2019 has Becky Lynch and Kofi Kingston as its main headliners. Says it all.
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WWE in 2019 is just boring and pointless.

WWE in 2009 was on a weekly basis a spit in the face of the fans.
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Yes, back then there used be storylines, that controversially were shit.
Now, every episode is a freaking filler. I don't even attempt to get invested, it's that bad.
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"people have forgotten how bad 2009 was" no we havent. its just that as bad as WWE was back then, its even worse now. there were still wrestlers and feuds worth watching. CM Punk vs Hardy was good. Jerichos feud with Rey and his tag team run with Big Show was good. everything with Jericho was fun to me. Edge was still there. Batista as a heel. Michaels vs Taker at WM. Mr Kennedy getting fired.

what is there to watch now? fucking nothing. maybe some of you have something that you like. I dont. not even Bray Wyatt. as good as his segments may have been they are eventually gonna fuck it up so who cares.
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I was on a break from WWE back then. I only watched select stuff from that year, mostly involving CM Punk. I feel like I didn't miss anything. That being said, veterans were still in decent shape and you had guys like Punk, Batista and Edge around still. And JR was still commentating. WWE still felt like WWE at the time with larger than life superstars and not like a glorified Indy fed like it does nowadays.
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Ratings was said to be declining for years now and that's a fact. Who knows maybe on 2029 where the ratings is around 1 million and people will claim how 2019 was a lot better than 2029.

The point I'm saying is that people will bitch and moan every year and that's a fact. Just wait next year and you'll see another thread how 2020 sucks and 2019 was better.
I get it you like today's product better. 2019 is not even 6 months in and here is a thread about whether if today's WWE is worse than 2009. THAT is ALREADY BIG L on 2019.

Yeah, ratings have been declining for years. You know what the difference is though NOW compared to 2009? The actual audience's demographic. 2009 the WWE was pushing baby kissing John Cena with the guise of him building future fans like how Hogan did in the 80's where 10 years later he would be a heel drawing heat with the kids who were now teens or early adults.

Well, guess what NONE OF THAT has happened in the last 10 years. It is why the demographic is now older than it has ever been. It is just long time fans hanging onto the product and WWE struggling to keep the fans from the PG Era.

The WWE is wrecked, but you want to bring up points that people have always complained. Yes, this is true. However, you are leaving out the major point that today the fans have stopped caring and tuning out AND NOT coming back.

This is a whole different scenario from the 80's and 90's that I am seeing now. The WWE has lost the trust of its audience which is why it is keep declining with ratings. As you said every year people are complaining and saying the show sucks, but eventually the well is going to bottom out and it is happening now. They aren't sticking around like they use to. They are crying for change and want new options which is why people are putting on hopes of HHH taking over or AEW gives them something they feel they are missing from WWE.

I have said this before I RARELY do the doom and gloom on the entire product as I always saw ways they could book themselves out of things or there were stuff I could see people liking. I just do NOT see this right now or anywhere in the near future with this current WWE. The product sucks and I never straight up say this in totality. It's been sucking hard, but I kept being optimistic because I still love the WWE of the past and in the back of my mind still felt WWE had it in them like in 1997 to change things drastically.

This company just doesn't have the wheels to keep on turning because it lacks synergy, stars, creative, and direction. At least in 2009, I got why certain things were done like pushing Cena as a face although it was counterproductive to the product's growth and why guys like HHH and HBK were in prime spots. I could go on more why I think this year is right up there with 1995 and even 1995 I think was better as I still believed guys like HBK and Diesel had upward mobility and potential if booked differently(I was right too as we saw what happened with them a year and two later).


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The TV audience sure seems to think so.
Exactly. I use to baffle on how the audience would stick around for horrible runs by WWE or how the company would stay red hot when creatively it was becoming stagnant. Difference now is that the audience is not even bothering to stick around unless it's RR to WM. Nothing else in the year matters and WM season only matters because of the legacy of the event.

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"Is 2016 the worst booked year?"
https://www.wrestlingforum.com/gener...oked-year.html

"Worst year in WWE? 1995 or 2017?"
https://www.wrestlingforum.com/gener...95-2017-a.html

"1995 or 2018: What year was worse?"
https://www.wrestlingforum.com/gener...ear-worse.html

You morons will keep doing this until WWE shuts down which will be on the next 50 years and so.
2017, 2018, and now 2019

You see a trend here? The modern WWE is giving flashbacks to 1995.


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I don't know if its worse, but what I will say is that a lot of the negatives I was seeing 10 years ago were things that I felt would have long term ramifications and be major issues in the long run, and those have come to roost in 2019.
Love this post. People have always complained even in the glory years, but they have also voiced their thoughts about their complaints.

Now most people are like "I told ya so" to WWE and tuning out. This is mirroring WCW so much as Bischoff and crew were successful, but people were telling them all the crap they were doing would come back to haunt them.

WWE is getting away with it for this long because there is no WWE of 1998 coming at them for their spot and it is the ONLY reason. They need competition badly just like they did in the mid 90's for them to see how badly they are running the product.

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WWE in 2019 is just boring and pointless.

WWE in 2009 was on a weekly basis a spit in the face of the fans.
This is my biggest issue with WWE today. IT'S BORING and nothing matters. Wins don't matter. Losses don't matter. Feuds don't matter. Fans reactions don't matter. You're right it just feels pointless.

Just look at The Shield for example. One minute Ambrose is turning heel and then it seems for no good reason they are all back together like nothing happened.

You are just telling the audience it doesn't matter.

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Yes, back then there used be storylines, that controversially were shit.
Now, every episode is a freaking filler. I don't even attempt to get invested, it's that bad.
"ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN PAL!"
This a very bad trend I'm seeing which is why I say 2019 is worse easily. When people aren't caring in droves there is a huge disconnect going on. They are lucky guys who put in work already like Bryan and AJ are connecting with their audience.



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I was on a break from WWE back then. I only watched select stuff from that year, mostly involving CM Punk. I feel like I didn't miss anything. That being said, veterans were still in decent shape and you had guys like Punk, Batista and Edge around still. And JR was still commentating. WWE still felt like WWE at the time with larger than life superstars and not like a glorified Indy fed like it does nowadays.
This is what it comes off as to the masses now.
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I get it you like today's product better. 2019 is not even 6 months in and here is a thread about whether if today's WWE is worse than 2009. THAT is ALREADY BIG L on 2019.

Yeah, ratings have been declining for years. You know what the difference is though NOW compared to 2009? The actual audience's demographic. 2009 the WWE was pushing baby kissing John Cena with the guise of him building future fans like how Hogan did in the 80's where 10 years later he would be a heel drawing heat with the kids who were now teens or early adults.

Well, guess what NONE OF THAT has happened in the last 10 years. It is why the demographic is now older than it has ever been. It is just long time fans hanging onto the product and WWE struggling to keep the fans from the PG Era.

The WWE is wrecked, but you want to bring up points that people have always complained. Yes, this is true. However, you are leaving out the major point that today the fans have stopped caring and tuning out AND NOT coming back.

This is a whole different scenario from the 80's and 90's that I am seeing now. The WWE has lost the trust of its audience which is why it is keep declining with ratings. As you said every year people are complaining and saying the show sucks, but eventually the well is going to bottom out and it is happening now. They aren't sticking around like they use to. They are crying for change and want new options which is why people are putting on hopes of HHH taking over or AEW gives them something they feel they are missing from WWE.

I have said this before I RARELY do the doom and gloom on the entire product as I always saw ways they could book themselves out of things or there were stuff I could see people liking. I just do NOT see this right now or anywhere in the near future with this current WWE. The product sucks and I never straight up say this in totality. It's been sucking hard, but I kept being optimistic because I still love the WWE of the past and in the back of my mind still felt WWE had it in them like in 1997 to change things drastically.

This company just doesn't have the wheels to keep on turning because it lacks synergy, stars, creative, and direction. At least in 2009, I got why certain things were done like pushing Cena as a face although it was counterproductive to the product's growth and why guys like HHH and HBK were in prime spots. I could go on more why I think this year is right up there with 1995 and even 1995 I think was better as I still believed guys like HBK and Diesel had upward mobility and potential if booked differently(I was right too as we saw what happened with them a year and two later).




Exactly. I use to baffle on how the audience would stick around for horrible runs by WWE or how the company would stay red hot when creatively it was becoming stagnant. Difference now is that the audience is not even bothering to stick around unless it's RR to WM. Nothing else in the year matters and WM season only matters because of the legacy of the event.



2017, 2018, and now 2019

You see a trend here? The modern WWE is giving flashbacks to 1995.


Look how less interactive this forum has become.




Love this post. People have always complained even in the glory years, but they have also voiced their thoughts about their complaints.

Now most people are like "I told ya so" to WWE and tuning out. This is mirroring WCW so much as Bischoff and crew were successful, but people were telling them all the crap they were doing would come back to haunt them.

WWE is getting away with it for this long because there is no WWE of 1998 coming at them for their spot and it is the ONLY reason. They need competition badly just like they did in the mid 90's for them to see how badly they are running the product.



This is my biggest issue with WWE today. IT'S BORING and nothing matters. Wins don't matter. Losses don't matter. Feuds don't matter. Fans reactions don't matter. You're right it just feels pointless.

Just look at The Shield for example. One minute Ambrose is turning heel and then it seems for no good reason they are all back together like nothing happened.

You are just telling the audience it doesn't matter.



This a very bad trend I'm seeing which is why I say 2019 is worse easily. When people aren't caring in droves there is a huge disconnect going on. They are lucky guys who put in work already like Bryan and AJ are connecting with their audience.





This is what it comes off as to the masses now.
I never said that I liked today's product. In fact I can tolerate it since I just watch the shows highlights on YouTube and be satisfied with it.

My point is that people will bitch and complain every year. For example, you've got fan favorites (Becky, Rollins and Kofi) wininng at mania which should be a great moment for the fans and yet you see threads popping how lame/shitty/stupid it was and so on.
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I never said that I liked today's product. In fact I can tolerate it since I just watch the shows highlights on YouTube and be satisfied with it.

My point is that people will bitch and complain every year. For example, you've got fan favorites (Becky, Rollins and Kofi) wininng at mania which should be a great moment for the fans and yet you see threads popping how lame/shitty/stupid it was and so on.
Ok I apologize putting words in your mouth about liking the product today. I'm just pointing out that there has always been bitching and complaining even in the glory years. The difference now though is that people are quitting the show and not just whining.

There will always be moments for fans to ponder, but there always won't be fans who keep watching and complaining. I know A LOT of people who use to complain 10 years ago(look at the forum members on there and compare to now with threads for example) who stopped watching altogether and won't be comparing today's product because they simply stopped watching.

Someone pointed out how when Vince appears on tv people still pop for him although plenty of people complain about the product. What people say and do are two different things and by going off people's reaction to the product in comparison from WM 30 til now you could see some are not just talking the talk. They have stopped caring or commenting on the new product.

I'm saying just because people always bitch and complain and still watch doesn't mean they don't have any validity in their complaints. The majority of the people in comparison from 10 years ago have stopped caring or watching and it is down to them having issues with the show.
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ive been a wrestling fan since the eighties. i never thought i would dislike WWE wrestling as much as i have the past couple of years. its sad.
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