Originally Posted by Fearless Viper
Ratings was said to be declining for years now and that's a fact. Who knows maybe on 2029 where the ratings is around 1 million and people will claim how 2019 was a lot better than 2029.
The point I'm saying is that people will bitch and moan every year and that's a fact. Just wait next year and you'll see another thread how 2020 sucks and 2019 was better.
I get it you like today's product better. 2019 is not even 6 months in and here is a thread about whether if today's WWE is worse than 2009. THAT is ALREADY BIG L on 2019.
Yeah, ratings have been declining for years. You know what the difference is though NOW compared to 2009? The actual audience's demographic. 2009 the WWE was pushing baby kissing John Cena with the guise of him building future fans like how Hogan did in the 80's where 10 years later he would be a heel drawing heat with the kids who were now teens or early adults.
Well, guess what NONE OF THAT has happened in the last 10 years. It is why the demographic is now older than it has ever been. It is just long time fans hanging onto the product and WWE struggling to keep the fans from the PG Era.
The WWE is wrecked, but you want to bring up points that people have always complained. Yes, this is true. However, you are leaving out the major point that today the fans have stopped caring and tuning out AND NOT coming back.
This is a whole different scenario from the 80's and 90's that I am seeing now. The WWE has lost the trust of its audience which is why it is keep declining with ratings. As you said every year people are complaining and saying the show sucks, but eventually the well is going to bottom out and it is happening now. They aren't sticking around like they use to. They are crying for change and want new options which is why people are putting on hopes of HHH taking over or AEW gives them something they feel they are missing from WWE.
I have said this before I RARELY do the doom and gloom on the entire product as I always saw ways they could book themselves out of things or there were stuff I could see people liking. I just do NOT see this right now or anywhere in the near future with this current WWE. The product sucks and I never straight up say this in totality. It's been sucking hard, but I kept being optimistic because I still love the WWE of the past and in the back of my mind still felt WWE had it in them like in 1997 to change things drastically.
This company just doesn't have the wheels to keep on turning because it lacks synergy, stars, creative, and direction. At least in 2009, I got why certain things were done like pushing Cena as a face although it was counterproductive to the product's growth and why guys like HHH and HBK were in prime spots. I could go on more why I think this year is right up there with 1995 and even 1995 I think was better as I still believed guys like HBK and Diesel had upward mobility and potential if booked differently(I was right too as we saw what happened with them a year and two later).
The TV audience sure seems to think so.
Exactly. I use to baffle on how the audience would stick around for horrible runs by WWE or how the company would stay red hot when creatively it was becoming stagnant. Difference now is that the audience is not even bothering to stick around unless it's RR to WM. Nothing else in the year matters and WM season only matters because of the legacy of the event.
2017, 2018, and now 2019
You see a trend here? The modern WWE is giving flashbacks to 1995.
Look how less interactive this forum has become.
I don't know if its worse, but what I will say is that a lot of the negatives I was seeing 10 years ago were things that I felt would have long term ramifications and be major issues in the long run, and those have come to roost in 2019.
Love this post. People have always complained even in the glory years, but they have also voiced their thoughts about their complaints.
Now most people are like "I told ya so" to WWE and tuning out. This is mirroring WCW so much as Bischoff and crew were successful, but people were telling them all the crap they were doing would come back to haunt them.
WWE is getting away with it for this long because there is no WWE of 1998 coming at them for their spot and it is the ONLY reason. They need competition badly just like they did in the mid 90's for them to see how badly they are running the product.
WWE in 2019 is just boring and pointless.
WWE in 2009 was on a weekly basis a spit in the face of the fans.
This is my biggest issue with WWE today. IT'S BORING and nothing matters. Wins don't matter. Losses don't matter. Feuds don't matter. Fans reactions don't matter. You're right it just feels pointless.
Just look at The Shield for example. One minute Ambrose is turning heel and then it seems for no good reason they are all back together like nothing happened.
You are just telling the audience it doesn't matter.
Yes, back then there used be storylines, that controversially were shit.
Now, every episode is a freaking filler. I don't even attempt to get invested, it's that bad.
"ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN PAL!"
This a very bad trend I'm seeing which is why I say 2019 is worse easily. When people aren't caring in droves there is a huge disconnect going on. They are lucky guys who put in work already like Bryan and AJ are connecting with their audience.
I was on a break from WWE back then. I only watched select stuff from that year, mostly involving CM Punk. I feel like I didn't miss anything. That being said, veterans were still in decent shape and you had guys like Punk, Batista and Edge around still. And JR was still commentating. WWE still felt like WWE at the time with larger than life superstars and not like a glorified Indy fed like it does nowadays.
This is what it comes off as to the masses now.