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Re: At what point does a title reign start becoming too long?

When there is nothing more to do for the guy i terms of variety. Look at Kenta Kobashi's reign of excellence going from March 2003 to March 2005. Yet every defense of the belt brought something different in terms of opponent and story being told in the matches.
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Re: At what point does a title reign start becoming too long?

When they start repeating themselves and everything feels the same.

Which happens a lot sooner nowadays in the constant rematch era.

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Re: At what point does a title reign start becoming too long?

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unfortunately in today's world, a face champion lasting more than 6 months is just too daunting of a task. Personally, i love it. I find it refreshing and i dont care about the fickle wrestling world.

BUT lets be honest. Stone Cold never had the title for a long period of time. He would get it, lose it, and then chase again. I think this IS the best formula. You let Stone Cold get tons of 'moments' in, but you also screw him over to keep the sympathy on him.
100% agree. The chase is what draws people in. But playing hot potato with the belt loses people too so have to meet in the middle. a year is solid.



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Long Reigns in recent times.

AJ Styles last WWE run was way too long and rather boring. Felt like Nakamura or Joe or both could have carried the strap at some point and have Styles chase them.
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Underdog babyfaces (pretty much all the babyfaces today) shouldn't hold it very long. The fact that they were booked as an underdog in the first place tells you the chase was the important part of the story. An upstart heel should end an underdog's title reign.

Rebel babyfaces (Stone Cold) shouldn't hold it very long. Should always get screwed, and get it back. A character usually bigger than a belt.

The 'Franchise' babyface. Hulk Hogan type. Should have long reigns for legacy purpose. Fans love to see them beat the villain. A wrestler made for a belt to go around their waist.

Besides the 'Franchise' babyface, heels should ALWAYS have the longer reigns. It builds hate for the heel, and builds excitement for the babyface.
While I agree with the some parts, I'm of the opposite opinion, in that I feel as though faces should tend to have longer reigns as it establishes a status quo that the heels, as villains, should seek to disrupt.
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Re: At what point does a title reign start becoming too long?

Not to sound corny, but it's just kind of a...feeling. Unlike many, I actually really liked JBL as champion in 2004, but you could just kinda feel right around the 2005 Royal Rumble that it was time to move on, and a few months later, they did.

Thing is, the same people who will scream that a champion is stale after three months will also complain that the titles don't mean anything. Titles only build up meaning through long reigns that make it noteworthy when someone actually takes it.

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Re: At what point does a title reign start becoming too long?

The chase is mostly always better than the reign.

So in all honesty, I don't think a face champion should hold the belt longer than a few months.

A heel can probably get away with holding it for longer and win their matches via way of some kind of fuckery etc. But the chase needs to be worth it.
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I don't think a face champion should hold the belt longer than a few months.
Interesting point here. How many truly great face world title reigns of 4+ months have there been in WWE? Hogan's 84-88 run springs to mind, and Savage in 89 was awesome, but it was the heel turn that extended it. How do we regard Punk's longest reign?

Even if all those were awesome, great long face title runs are few and far between, to be sure.

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Interesting point here. How many truly great face world title reigns of 4+ months have there been in WWE? Hogan's 84-88 run springs to mind, and Savage in 89 was awesome, but it was the heel turn that extended it. How do we regard Punk's longest reign?

Even if all those were awesome, great long face title runs are few and far between, to be sure.
Yeah, exactly.

The last 3 face reigns that have gone over 4 months:


AJ Styles (2017) - Smackdown to Smackdown (12 months+)

John Cena (2013) - WM29 to Summerslam. (4 months+)

CM Punk (2011) - Survivor Series to Raw 1000 (8 months before turning heel and freshening it up)


Only 3 faces have held the title for longer than 4 months in the last 10 years and during one of those the champion turned heel.

Whereas Brock, Bryan and Jinder, who have all held the world titles in the last 2 years have all had reigns that lasted over 4 months.
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Only 3 faces have held the title for longer than 4 months in the last 10 years and during one of those the champion turned heel.
Well done. That's a crazy statistic considering the presence of two titles, and it highlights how much WWE has changed from a traditionally face-driven territory to something much closer to the NWA/WCW model of long heel reigns punctuated by dramatic face championship wins.

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