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Re: Gail Kim: I Think In Vince McMahon's Mind, He Thinks Hiring People Of Ethnicities Means He's Not Racist

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I knew somebody would come with this bull shit quote. It's just like how folk try to shoe horn in Chris Rock's "N*ggas vs Black people". Yes black history should be considered regular history that's true. But the end of that quote is fucking stupid. In reality this "why can't we just all be the human race, why do we have to separate ourselves" mindset would never work in reality.

At the end of the day while yes we are all humans, the truth is most groups do have differences. The same way people of different genders experience life different is the same way people of different races and cultures experience things different. Me being a black man from the midwest I will have different experiences than a white guy from the UK. There's no problem with admitting that. There's no reason to not acknowledge there are differences between folk the same way there's no reason to not acknowledge some people hate others for their differences.


I mean I’m a white guy from the southeast and I have different experiences than white guy from the UK or even the Midwest would have.
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I honestly think it is a logically and empirically vacuous position to hold. And with all due respect to Morgan Freeman who is a fine actor and is more than entitled to his opinion, but the idea that racism is eradicated once it is ignored simply holds zero water historically or empirically.

This is very simple. Throughout American history there have numerous examples of systemic and legal institutions of racism. There was slavery, there was racial disenfranchisement, there was jim crow laws that denied public facilities to people of color. Then there have been numerous symbolic and legal rectifications of this racism.

-The 13th Amendment called for slavery to be abolished in the US.
-The 15th Amendment banned racial discrimination in Federal elections.
-The 24th Amendment banned Congress and the States from instituting poll taxes
-The Civil Rights Act of 1964
-The Voting Rights Act of 1965

All of these measures were designed to combat systemic racism in the United States and have succeeded in some places and failed in others. they have certainly not eradicated racism but they have limited its reach.

Not one of these Amendments or Laws came into fruition because people STOPPED talking about the existence of racism. Nope. They happened because people actively shined the light on racism and oppression and did not back down when confronted with it.

So again...Morgan Freeman is entitled to his opinion. I think that he is simply wrong.
Totally agree with you. While sure what Morgan Freeman is saying is a great thing and in a perfect world would be how we operated, but we don't live in that perfect world. Plus as you said no major changes regarding race or just about anything in general have ever happened by not talking about it.

Tbh I think the majority of people who think racism would go away if we stopped discussing it are the type of people that think racism wasn't a real issue before something like Cops vs Black people became a big deal in American news a few years ago. Folk like that I think believe that because they aren't racist and racism never never really entered their bubble, that's it's something that is a non-issue being overblown by the media.
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Re: Gail Kim: I Think In Vince McMahon's Mind, He Thinks Hiring People Of Ethnicities Means He's Not Racist

Gail knows she'll never work for WWE again so she shits on them every now and then to remind people she's still around.

"Vince is a racist!"

"The women aren't being properly used!"

"Vince says asian females aren't hot!"

How about we hear something new for a change? You're not telling anyone anything they don't already know.

Oh well back to Impact. What channel is it on? Oh,I found it...

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2 black wwe champions out of what....? Over 50?! Clearly not a race thing tho. I mean nakamura, samoa Joe, and wade barret all got runs at the top and they aren't American, right?!

I love the argument "if the right black guy came along they would've been champ. Look at the rock!" Does the rock identify as black??! Did Booker t get a run at the top? Or did he have to dress as a king and put on a fake accent for the big gold belt when it didn't mean shit? Pope Elijah burke never got the ball. Neither did Monty brown.

Nakamura, Joe, and Wade Barrett never had a “run at the top” none of them were world champions so wtf are you talking about?

And neither Elijah Burke nor Monty Brown were ever any good so what would warrant them a significant push?
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I knew somebody would come with this bull shit quote. It's just like how folk try to shoe horn in Chris Rock's "N*ggas vs Black people". Yes black history should be considered regular history that's true. But the end of that quote is fucking stupid. In reality this "why can't we just all be the human race, why do we have to separate ourselves" mindset would never work in reality.

At the end of the day while yes we are all humans, the truth is most groups do have differences. The same way people of different genders experience life different is the same way people of different races and cultures experience things different. Me being a black man from the midwest I will have different experiences than a white guy from the UK. There's no problem with admitting that. There's no reason to not acknowledge there are differences between folk the same way there's no reason to not acknowledge some people hate others for their differences.
I was just posting it for reference. I made no statement suggesting I agree or disagree with Freeman's comments. I simply thought it was an interesting notion and was relevant to the comment you made previously.
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Vince had a chance multiple times last year to pull the trigger on an Asian WWE champion, and an Asian women's champion. But he didn't in the former, and booked the latter like an afterthought and then took the belt off of her out of nowhere, and then shoved her completely off of the Mania main card a week out, so that his blonde big titted legacy wrestler could have a prop going into her match.

The most pushed "Asian" wrestler in WWE history was an American guy of Samoan descent pretending to be a Japanese Sumo Wrestler, that's just sad.
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I was just posting it for reference. I made no statement suggesting I agree or disagree with Freeman's comments. I simply thought it was an interesting notion and was relevant to the comment you made previously.
Okay then if you don't subscribe to it I sincerely apologize. It's just that quote and the Chris Rock bit gets thrown out a lot as if it's some "well this black guy said what I said, so how can I be wrong" trump card.




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I mean I’m a white guy from the southeast and I have different experiences than white guy from the UK or even the Midwest would have.
Exactly it's just an inevitable. And I'm sure you being a southern white guy, have experienced plenty of folk throwing bull shit stereotypes at you or people like you, from people that didn't share the same background as you. It just is what it is, people are always going to group themselves off.
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lol @ people thinking that just because you hire and occasionally push minorities that you can't be racist

Racism, like most everything else, has layers to it
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Nakamura, Joe, and Wade Barrett never had a “run at the top” none of them were world champions so wtf are you talking about?

And neither Elijah Burke nor Monty Brown were ever any good so what would warrant them a significant push?
About wade Joe and nak...I was being sarcastic... and you're crazy if you don't think Pope and Monty brown were as good as the miz or jinder fucking mahal..
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Not knowing much about Gail Kim; was her exit from WWE not on good terms I'm guessing? She seems to antagonize them a lot.
She wasn't happy with her second run in the WWE. Didn't feel like the WWE pushed the women's division like they should have and they were pushed back instead. I think there were some other issues too. She wanted to be released from her contract but they had her finish out her contact. The last time you saw Gail was in a battle royal where she elmiated herself. Second stint aside, Gail her first run, did win the title in her debut match. So they did at least see something in her.
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