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What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

There's many reasons I think WWE killed their casual fanbase, I just can't decide which one was the biggest factor:

-PG rating.
-Lack of new stars. (Fed everybody to Cena)
-Too much product. (WAAY TOO MANY FUCKING SHOWS, RAW IS TOO LONG)
-Too much focus on hardcore fans.
-Too much focus on Workrate
-Too much hiring of small, athletic guys, rather than big, larger than life looking
wrestler.
-Lack of serious, compelling storylines.


Obviously a mix of everything, just can't decide what was the worse part of it. I think that even if the product was shit, but was easier to watch (Raw going back to 2 hours and the only main show, less PPVs), casuals would have hesitated to disappear a bit more.
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Because the product suck and wwe stopped producing stars and instead went for the "we are the draw" Bullcrap
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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

The biggest problem is the lack of stars. You can overcome bad booking if you've got star power. WWE hasn't been booked well (especially Raw) since 2001 but they were able to keep casual fans watching for another decade because they had so many stars leftover from that era as well as the 2002 class of Bork, Batista, Cena and Orton all becoming huge stars.

They haven't created a genuine star other than Punk in the last 15 years. Guys like Edge and Jeff Hardy were already over as fuck in the Attitude Era so they don't count.

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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

None of those things really, of course they didn't help, but the decline had started long before PG or Cena. It's been a steady and long decline. Wrestling stopped being cool in about 2001. Rock and Austin leaving really accelerated things, but the decline had already started. I remember being in school around 2002-03 time and most of the kids had stopped watching wrestling and it was starting to get called "gay"

By the time I finished school in 2009, nobody in my school watched it. In fact, nobody would admit to watching it even if they did, because the "gay" stigma was HUGE. If anybody liked wrestling they'd be bullied, and this is ten years ago, and it's only gotten worse.
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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

After being in this forum for a while, I see that everything is Vince fault.
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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

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The biggest problem is the lack of stars. You can overcome bad booking if you've got star power. WWE hasn't been booked well (especially Raw) since 2001 but they were able to keep casual fans watching for another decade because they had so many stars leftover from that era as well as the 2002 class of Bork, Batista, Cena and Orton all becoming huge stars.

They haven't created a genuine star other than Punk in the last 15 years. Guys like Edge and Jeff Hardy were already over as fuck in the Attitude Era so they don't count.
You are right in part, it's like they didn't have the tools to create any new stars post 2005.

But think the product adapting over Cena and the PG era was also part of this.

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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

fatigue. To me wresltemania 17 was the end of the story. It was the culmination of the era. No more WCW. Stone Cold turned heel (which i didnt mind). and at that point, i think a lot of fans just startd to watch other things.

For me it was also timing. Wrestlemania 17 i turned 16. i was in high school. Wrestling wasn't cool any more and i had a lot of other things to do and watch and keep my occupied.

the brand split sucks
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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

3 hours is where the eroding of the audience seemed to really begin. From there, the complete, complete de-emphasization of good talkers needing to be your main eventers. We have more talking than we've ever had on the WWE product before at a time when everybody who's pushed and who gets a ton of air time sucks at it. Nobody wants to hear Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns cut 15 minute promos.




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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

Because of UFC and lacked of stars.
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Re: What was the biggest reason casual fans went away?

I don't think they did, do you know how many people still casually go to shows, casually catch an hour of Raw here and there , and casually read up on wrestling here and there I would say quite a bit

At times I would consider myself to be a casual, these days absolutely not although years ago at times I may have been a casual


and if you want an answer to want possibly made casuals into hardcore fans I would say the internet and DVRS
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