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Re: WWE's in ring style is painfully slow!

I just think wrestlers are painfully overexposed and their in-ring style just ends up being formulaic because they tend to go through the motions week in and week out on TV. Even when the get to PPV, it kinda feels the same. Case in point, Roman/McIntrye at mania. They wrestled the same style that they would do a Raw and they couldn't wrestle differently than what they normally do and it made you feel like what the whole point of them doing a match together at all if this was the best thing they could produce at the biggest show of the year.
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The absolute worst one for it is AJ Styles. During the match at Mania he'd go to do the springboard forearm, but he couldn't just do the move. He had to stop, look at Orton, look at the crowd, look at Orton, slooooowly adjust his elbow pad... and then do the move. This overly dramatic pacing took me out of every single match.
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Jim Ross discussed this recently on Konnan's podcast and explained that the issue isn't pace - it's the fact that the matches are formulaic and guys are just getting their sh*t in.

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I don't think the pace is the problem with their matches, it's the psychology.
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WWE has like 4-5 match formulas they use.
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Painfully slow?? I wish, they need to actually slow down and tell a story in the ring.
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It's not too slow lol. If anything it's way too fast. They've slowly made this fast paced, spotty style the standard. The moment a wrestler uses a rest hold, fans shove a thumb up thier ass and tune out because they lack any attention span and have become so spoiled. Storytelling has taken a backseat in favor of this high risk, high impact indy style. It's also weeding out the wrestlers who don't work this style, at least minimizing them.
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This is why they should hire someone like Jake Robert's, bring back storytelling. It's like wrestlers now have to hit all their signature moves in every single match.
^^^^These guys get it. Slow down, tell a story, and make it feel like I'm watching a fight and not a goddamn gymnastics exhibition. There's a reason people lose their goddamn minds for Velveteen Dream, and it's not just his (admittedly great) character or mic work. His matches all feel like they tell not only a story, but different stories based on the broader storyline.
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I just think wrestlers are painfully overexposed and their in-ring style just ends up being formulaic because they tend to go through the motions week in and week out on TV. Even when the get to PPV, it kinda feels the same. Case in point, Roman/McIntrye at mania. They wrestled the same style that they would do a Raw and they couldn't wrestle differently than what they normally do and it made you feel like what the whole point of them doing a match together at all if this was the best thing they could produce at the biggest show of the year.
Moreover, those guys are an example of WWE guys mostly trained in the WWE style having no extra gear because they don't have the background or experience in changing things up to deviate beyond the set WWE formula they've learned their entire careers.

Roman is good at the WWE style, but he knows no other way of working beyond that style. So there is nothing in his big matches that can be different from what you've seen before.

The people in the company who have the most success raising things another level are those who have had experience outside of the WWE, like Bryan and AJ.
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Re: WWE's in ring style is painfully slow!

edit:Also LOL @ all the people saying "slow it down so it looks more like a fight" have y'all ever seen a fight. They don't do rest holds



Every AJ Styles match epitomizes this problem...

In my opinion, wrestling should be super aggressive and fast paced. Wrestlers need to fight with animosity and energy. In my opinion, most of the roster would benefit from having Goldberg paced sprint matches in place of the WWE formula of 10 minutes of headlocks followed by 10 minutes of trading finishers

If you're going to have 1000 random matches on TV, book em to be fast and hard hitting. Make em look like real fights. I would straight up BAN wrist locks and headlocks. In a real athletic contest if two guys are hugging each other then either one of them is tapping out or the referee is standing them up so they can actually get back to the FIGHT
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Re: WWE's in ring style is painfully slow!

Formulaic is definitely the term i'd use. A lot can be predictable in terms of the structure of the match and when and where certain moves are going to happen IMO.
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Re: WWE's in ring style is painfully slow!

Do you really think these guys are allowed to do what they really would like to do in the ring? If anything, they can choose some specific moves or spots, but I imagine a decent majority of every match isn't really their choice. There is still a WWE style for a reason, I doubt every indy guy comes in and is more than overjoyed to transition to WWE's styles.

I blame their agents, their reliance on near falls (in particular finisher kick outs), and the notion of some guys that they need to do all their moves and spots in every match (which might be encouraged, who knows?)


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edit:Also LOL @ all the people saying "slow it down so it looks more like a fight" have y'all ever seen a fight. They don't do rest holds



Every AJ Styles match epitomizes this problem...

In my opinion, wrestling should be super aggressive and fast paced. Wrestlers need to fight with animosity and energy. In my opinion, most of the roster would benefit from having Goldberg paced sprint matches in place of the WWE formula of 10 minutes of headlocks followed by 10 minutes of trading finishers

If you're going to have 1000 random matches on TV, book em to be fast and hard hitting. Make em look like real fights. I would straight up BAN wrist locks and headlocks. In a real athletic contest if two guys are hugging each other then either one of them is tapping out or the referee is standing them up so they can actually get back to the FIGHT
Hit the nail on he head for me.

I would also like to add the crowd pandering that wrestlers do. Oh god, for fuck's sake, concentrate on the match. Why the fuck are you looking at the crowd or calling for your move so much. All you're doing is letting the opponent know whats coming. And lo and behold, almost always the opponent counters it.

Its particularly bad when high flyers do this like Ospreay seems to be doing quite a lot recently. I know the popular philosophy is not to just spam moves and try to do less while getting the crowd invested, but for fuck's sake a high flyer is supposed be high risk. If you want to make me think your moves look realistic, try to minimize the possibility that your opponent can counter your moves by doing them quickly and don't make it super obvious with the crowd pandering between each move you make.

I personally think NXT's style is perfect. Someone mentioned earlier that they need to slow down a bit more instead, and mentioned Dream. But Dream was able to make his moves mean something while not going overboard with the crowd pandering and keeping the match a solid pace. Even his hulking up spot I thought didn't look too bad in not taking me out of the match.
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Someone mentioned earlier that they need to slow down a bit more instead, and mentioned Dream. But Dream was able to make his moves mean something while not going overboard with the crowd pandering and keeping the match a solid pace. Even his hulking up spot I thought didn't look too bad in not taking me out of the match.
Yeah I also thought the Velveteen Dream comment was weird. Like, TVD is slow? Since when? He's my favorite current wrestler so I think I have a pretty good idea of what his matches are like and he is in no way slow.

He's meaningful. Everything he does has purpose to it. Everything links together and leads to the next sequence. But he's not "slow". He's never had a slow paced match and he doesn't really even do rest holds.

So a lot of people have it in reverse. Meaningful action requires the wrestlers to speed it up, not slow it down. Look at any Goldberg match. Everything he did sure as hell meant something, that's why his matches were so short. Real life fights work a similar way. There are no judges in wrestling, it's pure stoppage, so it doesn't make sense for 90% of the matches to be so cautious and slow and long and dull


And true, NXT does a much better job and generally has shorter, more entertaining filler matches
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Better too slow than too fast. If you wanna watch fast flippy action then watch pwg or aew



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