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Shamrock is overrated. 170lb Royce Gracie choked him out.
In an octagon. Thread says real fight. There's no rules in a real fight, there's doing whatever it takes in the shortest time possible. And if you watched those Gracie matches you'd know all the times Royce had the opportunity to clinch and whine that he got his groin drilled in. Wonder what ref he'd like to whine to in the parking lot, oh wait...

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So why are their weight classes in sports?
Why are we talking about sports?
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In an octagon. Thread says real fight. There's no rules in a real fight, there's doing whatever it takes in the shortest time possible. And if you watched those Gracie matches you'd know all the times Royce had the opportunity to clinch and whine that he got his groin drilled in. Wonder what ref he'd like to whine to in the parking lot, oh wait...



Why are we talking about sports?
because fighting is a sport
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because fighting is a sport
You know that depends on what fighting we're talking about, right? Sounds like you're assuming the OP is talking about a fight with regulations, such as a boxing or shooter fight. I'm thinking he is saying a straight up no rules, street fight. He did not specify.
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You know that depends on what fighting we're talking about, right? Sounds like you're assuming the OP is talking about a fight with regulations, such as a boxing or shooter fight. I'm thinking he is saying a straight up no rules, street fight. He did not specify.
Hand to hand size matters regardless. That point is only null if one fighter is so large they are encumbered by weight or height......Brock is not encumbered.

And my point which I think you missed is that the singular reason there are weight classes is because the heavier the man the more the advantage hand to hand.

This applies to any fight any where

I understand this is not a popular opinion, because there are plenty of undersized posters on this site who dream of being a badarse......but the reality is weight matters.I wrestled competitive for years this is a basic truth.

But heck....I sound like I care way too much lol.....go ahead and pick Ken, I'll be good from this point on.
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Hand to hand size matters regardless.

And my point which I think you missed is that the singular reason there are weight classes is because the heavier the man the more the advantage hand to hand.
Yes but why is there weight classes in this particular scenario? Beside main topic I am going by historical observation of fighting patterns between the two men mentioned, Shamrock and Lesnar, in response to a poster who claimed that Shamrock should be put after Lesnar just because he's bigger and stronger.

Ken has fought plenty of guys bigger than him before, btw. Kimo Leopoldo comes to mind. But this is more or less beside the point of the thread.


I'd like to know if someone's going to say who is the most dangerous, what do they think each man is going to try to do in a real fight? Surely they don't think all 3 are just going to rush in like Verne Gagne and lock, lift & takedown. In a real fight that will get you struck, even if it managed to work.

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But heck....I sound like I care way too much lol.....go ahead and pick Ken, I'll be good from this point on.
No problem, you're alright. Just curious.
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Yes but why is there weight classes in this particular scenario? Beside main topic I am going by historical observation of fighting patterns between the two men mentioned, Shamrock and Lesnar, in response to a poster who claimed that Shamrock should be put after Lesnar just because he's bigger and stronger.

Ken has fought plenty of guys bigger than him before, btw. Kimo Leopoldo comes to mind. But this is more or less beside the point of the thread.


I'd like to know if someone's going to say who is the most dangerous, what do they think each man is going to try to do in a real fight? Surely they don't think all 3 are just going to rush in like Verne Gagne and lock, lift & takedown. In a real fight that will get you struck, even if it managed to work.
Kimo? lol, Kimo vs Brock? Seriously?

I was watching live as Ken beat Kimo....Kimo was not trained like Brock was at all. Plus Kimo might at best have a thirty pound advantage over Ken.

Brock is well over 70 lbs heavier than Ken.....70!

Brock is an Olympic caliber wrestler who is massive, and has MMA training. This is silly.

I mean I think you really need to understand this. Weight equals force.....that is all.


And yet I understand I am coming across as a jerk I don't mean to.

I just don't understand why people cannot grasp the simple fact that weight equals advantage? Especially when both combatants have fighting training.
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In an octagon. Thread says real fight. There's no rules in a real fight, there's doing whatever it takes in the shortest time possible. And if you watched those Gracie matches you'd know all the times Royce had the opportunity to clinch and whine that he got his groin drilled in. Wonder what ref he'd like to whine to in the parking lot, oh wait...



Why are we talking about sports?
I donít care if itís an Octogon, a ring, a bar or a parking lot, Brock would put a beating on Shamrock.

Technique beats size/strength if itís a trained fighter vs an untrained fighter. Both of these guys are extremely well trained and fought at an elite level. Shamrock fights at 210, Brock fights around 275-280. On top of that he has freakish strength and is an elite athlete with speed. He almost walked onto the NFL with no training for Christ sake. Shamrock would get mauled at that size/strength disadvantage especially since Brock is as fast or faster than him.
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Re: Who seems like the most dangerous in a real fight? Kurt Angle, Ken Shamrock or Brock

If it's a street fight then a prime New Jack or Homicide is who you seek while Ken Kurt and Brock would do good the two I mentioned would with their pension for violence would make the fight zone look like a slaughterhouse killing floor.
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Bottom line Brock and Angle are elite Heavyweight Olympic level athletes. I men lets be honest there are probably 50 pro wrestlers who might have had larger MMA careers than Ken in UFC if they could have made the same money.

Brock outweighs Ken by 70 LBS.....lol.

Ken got a rep by excelling in a burgeoning sport.

Ken "looked mean"
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Kimo? lol, Kimo vs Brock? Seriously?

I was watching live as Ken beat Kimo....Kimo was not trained like Brock was at all. Plus Kimo might at best have a thirty pound advantage over Ken.

Brock is well over 70 lbs heavier than Ken.....70!

Brock is an Olympic caliber wrestler who is massive, and has MMA training. This is silly.

I mean I think you really need to understand this. Weight equals force.....that is all.


And yet I understand I am coming across as a jerk I don't mean to.

I just don't understand why people cannot grasp the simple fact that weight equals advantage? Especially when both combatants have fighting training.
Weight can be an advantage and disadvantage. If we are talking about Brock, why is he using his weight, specifically what tactic is being applied which concerns his weight? If it's to knock someone out, he doesn't need weight for that. He needs speed, distance and target. Same with Ken.

Whatever you do it must be done to incapacitate the guy you're fighting. That's what matters.
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