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Re: Hulk Hogan Shoots on Smarks and Claims He Only Used Creative Control Once In His Career

at this point in time, cunt hogan's list of lies is taller than jack's beanstalk
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Re: Hulk Hogan Shoots on Smarks and Claims He Only Used Creative Control Once In His Career

You get it all wrong, brothers. What he means, jack, is when refusing, and getting in Bischoff's and Vince's ears, and playing tactics, and talking out of both sides of his neck, when all of that didn't work, then, and only then, did he have to use his creative control clause.
That's just the way it is, dude.
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He deliberately misses the point. There are many wrestlers that have clauses in their contract that allows creative control. It's not a case of using that to ensure things went the way they wanted.

What people take Hogan to task over is the same as Nash and Hall - and Triple H for several years. They negotiate huge contracts and they insist that they dominate the product while other wrestlers struggle to get any exposure at all. The way that they completely buried the entire WCW roster, passing the championship among themselves for so long, while the rest of the talent got nothing ...

Then they did the same thing in TNA, choking the company half to death by insisting on huge paychecks and big changes to the TNA brand. It was widely reported that Hogan was INSISTENT that the 6 sided ring be scrapped before he would agree to wrestle for TNA. That was so much a part of the TNA brand. It was what made TNA a different product, something interesting and exciting to watch.

Things like that, where you're not literally exercising the creative control clause in your contract, but you are holding the company hostage in such a way that they have to appease you, and agree to only push the talent that you approve of. That is what the "smart marks" are talking about.

It can't be denied that they were doing this - and for YEARS. It's widely reported and often described in detail in books by people that experienced it.

Hogan, as usual, is his own biggest mark, and completely full of shit.
But the 6 sided ring was pretty shit.
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Re: Hulk Hogan Shoots on Smarks and Claims He Only Used Creative Control Once In His Career

This is the same guy that wouldn't put over Randy Savage in WCW when Savage was new there for a year. Yeah, like I would believe what Hogan has to say in this interview.



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I like to crap on Hogan as much as the next guy, but to be fair, he's not the only wrestler to exercise creative control and decide who he's willing to work with and when he does a job.

The guy closest to Hogan in terms of drawing power is Steve Austin. It's on the record that he refused flat out to work with guys like Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn when he was on top. He walked out on the company when he was asked to put over Brock Lesnar. Whenever he jobbed, apart from HHH, and Rock in his last match, it was in the screwiest circumstances possible. Yet he doesn't catch get nearly as much heat as Hogan. Why is that? Look at the Alliance era. Undertaker got crucified for the way he buried Page and Kanyon, yet nobody talks about Austin making Booker-T look like a complete jobber during the same timeframe - someone who came into the company as WCW champion and was way younger and had more upside than Page.

Shawn Michaels never even drew, unlike Hogan, and flat out said he wasn't going to do any jobs in 1997. He changed the finish to the Summerslam 1996 main event, killing Vader's push dead on arrival in the process, changed booking plans so he'd work with Sid, and then faked an injury to get out of jobbing to Bret at Wrestlemania. According to common lore he had to be THREATENED into doing the job to Austin at the following years Wrestlemania. Just imagine how much it would have fucked up WWE's booking plans if he didn't play ball and put Austin over. Even when he came back in 2002 (a new man apparently) he still had his moments. He went into business for himself in the Summerslam 2005 main event and the following month he refused to put over Chris Masters. All this and he was the only wrestler in the entire company who basically had carte blanche to decide whether he worked as heel or face.

And perhaps my favorite example of all, Roddy Piper. Someone who escapes any kind of criticism despite never doing any clean jobs (even Hogan did more) despite being way less important to the business. Hogan was actually arguably a victim of Piper's politics, seeing as Piper decided he didn't want to put over the guy WWE was strapping a rocket to at Wrestlemania and then went over HIM clean at WCW's biggest event in 96. This isn't even the most egregious thing Piper is on record as doing. He changed the finish at Slamboree 1997 with CREATIVE CONTROL so his team would go over the NWO - something Kevin Nash graciously agreed to. As if this shithousery wasn't enough, Piper then went into business for himself on a following episode of Nitro, changed the booking of a tag match he was in involving Nash, leading to their infamous backstage fight.

Hogan deserves a lot of the ire he attracts just for his shenanigans at Starrcade 1997 but it's not right that he gets more flak than guys like Austin, HBK and Piper when they pull the same shit.

Who is to say Austin's reasons for not working with Lesnar are any more justifiable for Hogan's reasons for not putting Sting over in the correct fashion?
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Re: Hulk Hogan Shoots on Smarks and Claims He Only Used Creative Control Once In His Career

I dont mind hogan using creative control per say, its his lying that pisses me off. Hes such a fantasist in much of the stuff he says, he just makes shit up and goes along with it like everyone else are the weird ones for not believing him.

how many stories has he told? there was that metallica story, then then the baseball one, I seem to remember him saying he got a call from someone to talk and then that person said they dont even know him.

Im not sure hogan even knows what is the reality anymore. Id have more respect for him if he just said "youve got to do what youve got to do in order to succeed", at least then he would be owning it and I wouldnt blame him for doing so.

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I like to crap on Hogan as much as the next guy, but to be fair, he's not the only wrestler to exercise creative control and decide who he's willing to work with and when he does a job.

The guy closest to Hogan in terms of drawing power is Steve Austin. It's on the record that he refused flat out to work with guys like Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn when he was on top. He walked out on the company when he was asked to put over Brock Lesnar. Whenever he jobbed, apart from HHH, and Rock in his last match, it was in the screwiest circumstances possible. Yet he doesn't catch get nearly as much heat as Hogan. Why is that? Look at the Alliance era. Undertaker got crucified for the way he buried Page and Kanyon, yet nobody talks about Austin making Booker-T look like a complete jobber during the same timeframe - someone who came into the company as WCW champion and was way younger and had more upside than Page.

Shawn Michaels never even drew, unlike Hogan, and flat out said he wasn't going to do any jobs in 1997. He changed the finish to the Summerslam 1996 main event, killing Vader's push dead on arrival in the process, changed booking plans so he'd work with Sid, and then faked an injury to get out of jobbing to Bret at Wrestlemania. According to common lore he had to be THREATENED into doing the job to Austin at the following years Wrestlemania. Just imagine how much it would have fucked up WWE's booking plans if he didn't play ball and put Austin over. Even when he came back in 2002 (a new man apparently) he still had his moments. He went into business for himself in the Summerslam 2005 main event and the following month he refused to put over Chris Masters. All this and he was the only wrestler in the entire company who basically had carte blanche to decide whether he worked as heel or face.

And perhaps my favorite example of all, Roddy Piper. Someone who escapes any kind of criticism despite never doing any clean jobs (even Hogan did more) despite being way less important to the business. Hogan was actually arguably a victim of Piper's politics, seeing as Piper decided he didn't want to put over the guy WWE was strapping a rocket to at Wrestlemania and then went over HIM clean at WCW's biggest event in 96. This isn't even the most egregious thing Piper is on record as doing. He changed the finish at Slamboree 1997 with CREATIVE CONTROL so his team would go over the NWO - something Kevin Nash graciously agreed to. As if this shithousery wasn't enough, Piper then went into business for himself on a following episode of Nitro, changed the booking of a tag match he was in involving Nash, leading to their infamous backstage fight.

Hogan deserves a lot of the ire he attracts just for his shenanigans at Starrcade 1997 but it's not right that he gets more flak than guys like Austin, HBK and Piper when they pull the same shit.

Who is to say Austin's reasons for not working with Lesnar are any more justifiable for Hogan's reasons for not putting Sting over in the correct fashion?
Agree with most of this post, but I will say the difference between Austin and Hogan... was that Austin was still in the middle of his prime while Hogan was clearly past his.

At that stage in his career Hogan should be looking to help get new stars over.
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I don't think you boys and girls grasp nuance. Using his creative control required sending a document to WCW management stating he is invoking his creative control. Being pitched and idea, saying no and management going with something else is not using his creative control.

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If Hogan and his buddies weren't there, Mero would have probably gotten a bigger push and a new contract.
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He didn't refuse to turn heel. He was against an hesitant to turn because he was a babyface breaking into Hollywood and had his buddies and manager advising against it because it could hurt his marketability etc. He didn't use his creative control.

Eric agreed with Hogan that he shouldn't put Sting over. It wasn't Hogan using creative control.

Refuse to lose to Jeff Jarrett but then came to agreement to do the lay down angle, crowd a new Champion and have Hogan come back to challenge that Champion. Russo went into business for himself.

HBK had it coming.

Hogan made the correct decision having Bobby Roode go over and turn heel. Hogan was working in a creative capacity for TNA. So this goes under the, 'good booking decision by Hogan' column.

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