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Re: Has Vince proved to us it does not matter about our opinions because at the end of the day WWE is extremely successful(business-wise) right now?

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Short term they’re set. But if there is a collapse with TV channels and what they can pay for content then they run the risk of some issues. Like they’re set for the next 5 years or however long their contract is for. After tht though who knows what they’re in for. Are content prices going to go up for content or will there be a crash?
With TV use continuing to decline, the networks probably won'd be able to pay these massive deals anymore. WWE is getting lucky since the market is probably reaching its top.

The network will become a lot more important in the future, but if they can't get above the 1.5 to 2 million subscriber range, they're in trouble.
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Given the huge sums involved in the recent tv mergers it's highly unlikely tv money goes away anything soon, certainly not within next 10 years anyway.

I expect next set of deals to be bigger because now you have new players like Amazon, Netflix, Facebook and Hulu all bidding on what is a finite amount of live programming. NFL, NBA, Nascar, mlb, premier league are are beholden to tv money far more than the wwe so if tv does fall much bigger entities than wwe will have major issues
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Given the huge sums involved in the recent tv mergers it's highly unlikely tv money goes away anything soon, certainly not within next 10 years anyway.

I expect next set of deals to be bigger because now you have new players like Amazon, Netflix, Facebook and Hulu all bidding on what is a finite amount of live programming. NFL, NBA, Nascar, mlb, premier league are are beholden to tv money far more than the wwe so if tv does fall much bigger entities than wwe will have major issues
The thing is, I think there is a good chance that Amazon, Netflix, and Hulu are going to be largely irrelevant to this because none of them have a particular interest in live programming. All of them basically have binge watching and large archives as their primary focus points.
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Re: Has Vince proved to us it does not matter about our opinions because at the end of the day WWE is extremely successful(business-wise) right now?

The thing is, wrestling is more like the internet fans wanted. AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Daniel Bryan and Shinsuke Nakamura are the top stars on SmackDown. Kevin Owens is a featured player on Raw. You have guys all working the style they want to work. It should be a pipe-dream for a lot of people.
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Re: Has Vince proved to us it does not matter about our opinions because at the end of the day WWE is extremely successful(business-wise) right now?

Oh Wrestling fans...

These threads keep popping up. I wouldn’t say they’re successful from any smart investments and strategy. Do you know Duracell is still being sold in stores profitably, and was P&Gs strongest brand besides Tide before selling it to old man Berkshire? That Sony made VHS tapes and only stopped until a few years ago?

This is the difference between successful conglomerates and non: P&G sees the long term vision and ditches brands they know WILL fail decades from now. Sony, meanwhile, produced every crap imaginable until almost leading themselves into bankruptcy despite record revenues from film and gaming.

Moral of the story? Making money is not indicative of long term strategy and success. If anything, WWE should have made even more this year given their budget cuts...but only barely scratched above profit due to stagnant Network memberships and declining Live Event revenues. They are feeding off TV networks desperation in staying relevant by overpaying for content (thowing money at a problem is the surest sign of strategy failure).

Once that TV money goes south and cable dies? Idk. They don’t seem to have a clear strategy. On one hand you have NXT expansion and entering international markets. On the other, you have WWE de emphasizing he Network as of late and not having different pricing models for different regions. They mention Hulu (a direct competitor) more often than the Network. They seem no longer interested in increasing subscriber counts or offering content to lure in subs. They’re pretty stagnant besides the TV deal, and declining viewership is real.

When the Attitude Era fans get old, who is left watching Wrestling? How many children past 12 watch the product? Are they doing anything to cultivate a new audience? Will the John Cena era kids eventually show their kids wrestling or will they not think much of the product in retrospect? I don’t see that kind of loyalty Gen Z has about wrestling like Millenials did as they get older.

WWE is an over budgeted circus, but will eventually suffer the same fate as the circus did over decades of time if they don’t convince the young to keep tuning in. Right now it’s attitude era parents (eg Millenials) who are getting their kids to watch. But those kids will likely not have the same nostalgic feelings as their parents did. That is what ultimately killed the circus.

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