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post #71 of 77 (permalink) Old 02-25-2018, 03:15 AM
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Re: Dave Meltzer on WON - AJ Styles could be moving to Raw and Seth Rollins to Smackdown

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AJ being the first person to win the title overseas wasn't something they did consciously to give him a rub. They wanted the belt off Jinder, they just happened to be overseas. he won the belt. They've never once, as far as I can recall, pushed the fact that he's the first one to do that and it's some kind of important milestone. It's a nice little factoid that he can take pride in if he wants to, but it means nothing. It's not like they were waiting to do an overseas title change for years and Vince thought "You know, we just can't find the right person" and then all of a sudden AJ comes along and Vince books it. It was a world title win that saved us from Jinder Mahal, that's the big talking point, not what part of the world he won it in. I mean, don't you think if WWE considered that a big deal, they would've given Roman the first overseas win like they give him everything else? The fact that it wasn't Roman tells me that they don't particularly consider that much of a thing.

AJ was booked to work Brock because Jinder was an utter failure. They didn't have AJ work with Brock because it was such an obvious thing to do, they did it because their first choice was bombing. Again, I don't think being slotted second to Jinder is really a testament to how high they see him. Don't get me wrong, they're VERY high on AJ, clearly, but you're not giving the best examples. The arguments are quite easy to knock down. The reason AJ got more offense on Brock than other people is simple, it was champion vs champion. They had to present the SmackDown champion as at least able to give Brock Lesnar a challenge. Even then, the first 5 or 6 minutes, Brock ragdolled AJ like he was a jobber anyway, so I didn't really come out of that match thinking he got THAT much from it. If AJ was facing Brock in a context outside of being the champion, I feel that would've been a less competitive match. Maybe I'm wrong, but knowing how Brock threw around John Cena at SummerSlam 2014, or how he threw around Seth Rollins at Battleground, where they got no offense going against him, I don't think I'm off base.

Yeah, he was in a 2 on 1 handicap match, but the factor you're overlooking is that the 2 guys aren't in the ring at the same time. This makes it pretty much an even playing field. WWE knew that if they had made it to where Kevin and Sami were in the ring at the same time, they couldn't have had AJ win, so they booked it the way that allowed him to win.



Raw's a different animal than SmackDown, though, there's a lot less opportunity to go around. Currently, he can't challenge for the world title, there's several people injured, which limits his feud options, etc. AJ's going to find out when he goes there that he's gonna be behind Roman and Braun just like everyone else. Seth is one of the top guys on a show where it's pretty hard to be a top guy, and when he goes to SmackDown, I have no doubt he'll be pushed harder than Styles has been, because he always has been.
I actually do kinda agree with you to an extent. They weren't working towards AJ winning the title overseas at all. You're also 100% right that they just wanted it off Jinder. Yet AJ was still the guy who they turned to when wanting to hit the eject button on their failed experiment. Depending on which versions of events you believe, Lesnar refused to face Jinder, saw no value in it. Was happy to work AJ. Of course it would have been a different match had Lesnar went into it being the only champion, but thats shudda wudda cudda talk. AJ Styles went into that match and was treated as Lesnar almost equal. We were talking about booking, right? AJ Styles dragging a match out of the part timer world champion was how they booked it, right? They BOOKED that match to make them looks like equals, yeah? Brock didn't wanna squash Jinder, but was happy to WRESTLE AJ? Thats booking mate, they booked him as the most credible threat to Lesnar since Goldberg. Say what you want, but thats some strong booking right there.

Raw's a different beast you say, you're right. Currently Seth cant challenge for the world title you say, why? Because they ain't booking it that way? Several people being out injured should push him higher up the card shouldn't it? But no it's not the case, as the guys who got injured was first his tag team partner, then his replacement tag team partner. He was booked to have a tag team feud, his partner got injured, he was still booked to have a tag team feud. Aj Styles is in a phenomenally (no pun intended) better position then Seth is right now. I also believe that he will fare a little bit better on Raw then Seth has. Seth will also most likely slot into the top role of SD effortlessly.

I actually really enjoy the work of both guys tremendously, but in terms of card position and how they've been booked, it's not even close. AJ is miles ahead.
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Re: Dave Meltzer on WON - AJ Styles could be moving to Raw and Seth Rollins to Smackdown

I am pretty sure this is Meltzer just speculating.
Don't think that even WWE knows who is moving in the next draft/superstar shakeup.
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Re: Dave Meltzer on WON - AJ Styles could be moving to Raw and Seth Rollins to Smackdown

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I actually do kinda agree with you to an extent. They weren't working towards AJ winning the title overseas at all. You're also 100% right that they just wanted it off Jinder. Yet AJ was still the guy who they turned to when wanting to hit the eject button on their failed experiment.
Right, but if Rollins was on SmackDown and AJ was on Raw, it would've been him. You see what I mean? AJ was the guy they turned to because he was the guy that was there that could pull it off at that moment.

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Depending on which versions of events you believe, Lesnar refused to face Jinder, saw no value in it. Was happy to work AJ. Of course it would have been a different match had Lesnar went into it being the only champion, but thats shudda wudda cudda talk. AJ Styles went into that match and was treated as Lesnar almost equal. We were talking about booking, right? AJ Styles dragging a match out of the part timer world champion was how they booked it, right? They BOOKED that match to make them looks like equals, yeah? Brock didn't wanna squash Jinder, but was happy to WRESTLE AJ? Thats booking mate, they booked him as the most credible threat to Lesnar since Goldberg. Say what you want, but thats some strong booking right there.
Actually, the most credible threat to Lesnar is Braun, since literally every time Braun and Brock fight each other, Brock is crushed under something, or Powerslammed through a table, etc. But yes, AJ Styles was booked better than most people against Brock, in fact, I'll say he was booked better against Brock than Seth was, BUT, the circumstances of the matches were so different, because it was heel Seth compared to babyface AJ, so right there, AJ is automatically benefiting from being a babyface, then you have the fact that Brock had to kill Seth because his next match was The Undertaker, and when Brock is facing Undertaker, the prior opponent is going to look bad, and then you have the champion vs champion thing, which yeah, you can make an argument that it doesn't matter if he was the SmackDown champion or not, I really think it does. I really, honestly believe if he were not the champion, that match isn't as competitive as it was. And, to be honest, I didn't think it was THAT competitive, even with the added offense that AJ got from being the champion. The first 5 minutes of the match, AJ didn't get ONE piece of offense, not even a punch. Most of the match was still Brock throwing him around to the best of my recollection, with some good hope spots for AJ peppered in to the throwing around. I'm certainly not misremembering the first part of the match, because it struck me very hard how weak AJ looked in the beginning.

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Raw's a different beast you say, you're right. Currently Seth cant challenge for the world title you say, why? Because they ain't booking it that way? Several people being out injured should push him higher up the card shouldn't it? But no it's not the case, as the guys who got injured was first his tag team partner, then his replacement tag team partner. He was booked to have a tag team feud, his partner got injured, he was still booked to have a tag team feud.
Yeah, but the tag team stuff is booked as one of the most important things on the show. The storyline with Jordan and The Bar got a LOT of focus. And considering how he was booked on Monday, it has made him appear higher on the card. After the gauntlet match on Monday, he looked like a world beater.

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Aj Styles is in a phenomenally (no pun intended) better position then Seth is right now. I also believe that he will fare a little bit better on Raw then Seth has. Seth will also most likely slot into the top role of SD effortlessly.
I wouldn't say he is. Yeah, he's the champion, but nobody is talking about SmackDown right now. You see the photos taken from SmackDown tapings I assume, they're 80% empty. Obviously once this program with Nakamura kicks off, he should get hotter, but right now, SmackDown is just spinning its wheels waiting to get there.

Whether he fares better than Seth on Raw is all dependent on how the draft shakes out. If Braun stays on Raw, which I'd say the odds are high that he does, then good luck to him, he'll be in the same position Seth is, which is not what you seem to be happy with.

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I actually really enjoy the work of both guys tremendously, but in terms of card position and how they've been booked, it's not even close. AJ is miles ahead.
Not really. I'd rather be the #3 guy on Raw than the #1 guy on SmackDown. You're just saying he's booked better because he's the champion. The feuds he's in aren't hot, nobody cares about them even if they care about him. Until he faces Nakamura, he's in a holding pattern.





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Re: Dave Meltzer on WON - AJ Styles could be moving to Raw and Seth Rollins to Smackdown

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Right, but if Rollins was on SmackDown and AJ was on Raw, it would've been him. You see what I mean? AJ was the guy they turned to because he was the guy that was there that could pull it off at that moment.



Actually, the most credible threat to Lesnar is Braun, since literally every time Braun and Brock fight each other, Brock is crushed under something, or Powerslammed through a table, etc. But yes, AJ Styles was booked better than most people against Brock, in fact, I'll say he was booked better against Brock than Seth was, BUT, the circumstances of the matches were so different, because it was heel Seth compared to babyface AJ, so right there, AJ is automatically benefiting from being a babyface, then you have the fact that Brock had to kill Seth because his next match was The Undertaker, and when Brock is facing Undertaker, the prior opponent is going to look bad, and then you have the champion vs champion thing, which yeah, you can make an argument that it doesn't matter if he was the SmackDown champion or not, I really think it does. I really, honestly believe if he were not the champion, that match isn't as competitive as it was. And, to be honest, I didn't think it was THAT competitive, even with the added offense that AJ got from being the champion. The first 5 minutes of the match, AJ didn't get ONE piece of offense, not even a punch. Most of the match was still Brock throwing him around to the best of my recollection, with some good hope spots for AJ peppered in to the throwing around. I'm certainly not misremembering the first part of the match, because it struck me very hard how weak AJ looked in the beginning.



Yeah, but the tag team stuff is booked as one of the most important things on the show. The storyline with Jordan and The Bar got a LOT of focus. And considering how he was booked on Monday, it has made him appear higher on the card. After the gauntlet match on Monday, he looked like a world beater.



I wouldn't say he is. Yeah, he's the champion, but nobody is talking about SmackDown right now. You see the photos taken from SmackDown tapings I assume, they're 80% empty. Obviously once this program with Nakamura kicks off, he should get hotter, but right now, SmackDown is just spinning its wheels waiting to get there.

Whether he fares better than Seth on Raw is all dependent on how the draft shakes out. If Braun stays on Raw, which I'd say the odds are high that he does, then good luck to him, he'll be in the same position Seth is, which is not what you seem to be happy with.



Not really. I'd rather be the #3 guy on Raw than the #1 guy on SmackDown. You're just saying he's booked better because he's the champion. The feuds he's in aren't hot, nobody cares about them even if they care about him. Until he faces Nakamura, he's in a holding pattern.
1. Cant say I 100% agree with that mind. I reckon Owens & Orton would have been right up in that discussion alongside Seth. Then you have Nakamura and considering the rumours are They had Nak pencilled into win the RR for a decent amount of time. They did chose AJ out of him and those other 3. However We will never know so I sharnt use this toward my arguement.

2. Braun is not the biggest threat to Brock at the moment, the biggest threat booking wise is the exact man they're going for, Roman Reigns. That aside though, No Mercy clearly musta slipped your mind aye? Where Brock dismantled this manbeast quicker than it wudda took you to tie ya shoe laces and destroyed him physically at the same time. Also while they kept Braun strong, Lesnar picked up another W in the three way match. It was within the top 2 for competitiveness in all of Brock Lesnars matches within the last two years. They booked it that way, we all knew Brock would win but AJ was afforded more change outta Brock then anyone has been allowed in quite some time.

3. One of the most important things on the show? Aye it gets a bit time and it does involve some great workers I cant deny. However its still the tag team titles mate. It's not the world championship. The Universal title when Brock decides to show up is the focus, there's kinda a 7 way elim chamber tonight to determine who gets to challenge for it. After that its the IC title, proven by the fact when they wanted it off Miz, they gave it to Roman. Then when they wanted it back on Miz they had him go over Roman. Then the tag titles, whilst it's still high up and I imagine a total honour. It's at the bottom of the pecking order on Raw, bar the cruiser.

4. Raw attendances are only slightly better from what I read. Lets not pretend thats a Smackdown centric thing, it's not, its a WWE thing and has been for a good couple of years now. It's not new, it didn't start with AJ or Rollins, so its kinda irrelevant.

5. Cant disagree with this to an extent. Wherever Braun goes is key. However I think you are hugely under estimating just how hot WWE (and more so trips) are on AJ. He's been giving treatment most dont get, from his royal rumble debut via cleans wins over Cena when JC was supercena, up to doing firsts and making records.

6. Nobody cares about the feuds for the universal title either mate. Kane/Lesnar/Braun gimme a break. "We need someone to take the fall, oh I know lets get Kane." They're now about to have a "7" way just to determine the number one contender for Raw's top belt. SD however have been having a back and forth between AJ & Zayn/Owens, building for quite some time, with cracks showing in Z&O's relationship. Again because we're talking about BOOKING, I know which ones had more time and story put into it and it certainly aint the 7way to determine who gets to face Mr. show up every now and then Lesnar.

7. Imagine me saying AJ has been booked better, in a oonversation about boooking, nuts. The feud AJ is inis with Kevin Owens who is over as fuck, Shane Mac who is over as hell with the casuals, Daniel Bryan maybe literally sergant over and Sami Zayn who for some reason people like.

Compare that to Seth's tag feud... Compare it properly and truthfully, I ask you.

Kevin Owens/Shane Mac/ Daniel Bryan/ Sami Zayn/ AJ Styles

The Bar vs Rollins/Ambrose or Rollins/Jordan with a smattering of Kurt Angle gradually killing his legacy
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Re: Dave Meltzer on WON - AJ Styles could be moving to Raw and Seth Rollins to Smackdown

Yeah because he didn't say the same thing this time last year... Why do people actually think Meltzer knows anything when he gets 90% of things wrong than says that "Oh they changed it at the last minute" as an excuse.
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Re: Dave Meltzer on WON - AJ Styles could be moving to Raw and Seth Rollins to SmackDown

All I'll say is if they move AJ to Raw, you'd have to move either Roman, Seth, or Braun to SD to compensate. And we know Roman ain't going over there, same thing with Braun too. So I would say Seth would have to be that guy that moves over.

My opinion, I wouldn't move any of them. Keep AJ on SD so he can keep his signature line. Move Balor and Joe over to SD to give AJ (and Nakamura) some new opponents. Move Owens back to Raw and Orton as well. And add one more big name Raw to SD like Jeff Hardy.

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Re: Dave Meltzer on WON - AJ Styles could be moving to Raw and Seth Rollins to SmackDown

These moves would make sense. Be nice to see Styles on the main show and having Rollins on Smackdown could allow him to become a bigger star,

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