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Re: This "Vince McMahon is desperate to get Roman cheered" fallacy needs to end

It doesn't matter who gets over the WWE only wants to put Reigns on top he is the guy they want regardless of anybody else so these debates are just pointless
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Re: This "Vince McMahon is desperate to get Roman cheered" fallacy needs to end

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Huh?You don't make a lick of sense.Follow your own advise and leave things well enough alone.



If someone who doesn't even like Balor recognises that he is over, and many others in that thread as well.He is over, get over it.Really, i don't know what you talking about.

It doesn't surprise me you can't follow. I see I have to break this down:

-Finn is not over
-You used a thread on WF as proof" that he is over
-Your claim is stupid, because in that same thread, a few people are saying he isn't over.

Now I am sure you are going to have trouble with this as well, but then again, that isn't on me to judge why you can't understand your point doesn't hold up at all.

Now try again, I am tired of you not understanding simple concepts


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Jesus, gotta love how much Meltzer triggers some marks.Love ya Meltz
. Meltzer doesn't trigger me. But I love how you say love you to a man you never met. And by the way, you are also a mark, it isn't an insult.

But once again, I forgot your simple post history so far.

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I think he pretty much did say that only Roman can do it:


https://www.wrestlingforum.com/71125673-post177.html

I mean, he did literally say this:

"No one else can do that because they have to worry about themselves and how they look and what they're doing. He needed someone like Roman to get over and there is no one else in Roman's unique position."
Pretty much isn't the same as is. In fact in your own post right here,it says "He needed someone like roman. SOMEONE LIKE ROMAN. SOMEONE LIKE ROMAN

Cena or Brock could have sufficed. He wasn't getting over with Sami Zayn, like he would with Roman Reigns.

This is getting comical. You are proving my point for me about your reading comprehension

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"Whatever i am spouting".Well, read my posts before responding to them.
I read your quotes, you are spouting nonsense. You went after @Asmodeus . I stepped in to let you know what you were wrong about, and now you are trying to double down knowing that you have no argument.

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Haven't watched it so i can't comment on it.
I believe this/


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I only sound ridiculous because you lack reading comprehension.I never said that Braun didn't win the feud with Roman.He did win it technically.

You bring up Heel Rock and nWo.But Braun isn't part of heel stable.He is supposed to be getting the job done by himself.He is 'monster among men" after all.
So now, it has to be a heel who isn't part of a stable? You are trying to change the goalposts, because it doesn't fit your silly narrative.

And wrestling is fake, him being the monster among men is just a gimmick.

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Brock vs Taker at Mania kinda bombed as well.Even though Taker stabbing Lesnar with a pen, is one of the most watched wwe videos of all time with 44 million views.
So, once again, the person the party is standing in front of is just as important. I am glad you are finally getting the point.

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Yeah, they are doing great.That's why they had to cut pyro for the first time in forever.

Never said Reigns was the sole reason for WWE's failings.But he isn't the big deal he is made out to be, either.
Still profit .

well, this is a Reigns thread, so of course he would be called a big deal in this thread. And you seemed to imply that Reigns is the problems for the attendance and ratings.

By the way, if we are talking numbers:

The WM brand in 2017 is worth: 195 million dollars

The WM brand worth in 2014: 105 million dollars.

I guess the last 3 wrestlemania main events haven't been slowing down the business like people want to say
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Re: This "Vince McMahon is desperate to get Roman cheered" fallacy needs to end

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It doesn't surprise me you can't follow.
Yeah, i guess you are doing it on purpose.


"Fin isn't over"


When even people who dislike him recognize that he is over, you are the one with the problem.

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-Your claim is stupid, because in that same thread, a few people are saying he isn't over.
There may have been a single post or two that said he isn't, but that doesn't disprove the fact that he is.

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Now try again, I am tired of you not understanding simple concepts
Same feel about you.


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Meltzer doesn't trigger me. But I love how you say love you to a man you never met. And by the way, you are also a mark, it isn't an insult.

But once again, I forgot your simple post history so far.
Yeah, that was my genuine love confession for the man that triggers you so.

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Pretty much isn't the same as is. In fact in your own post right here,it says "He needed someone like roman. SOMEONE LIKE ROMAN. SOMEONE LIKE ROMAN


Cena or Brock could have sufficed. He wasn't getting over with Sami Zayn, like he would with Roman Reigns.

This is getting comical. You are proving my point for me about your reading comprehension
It is freaking hillarious.That exact sentence that you put in caps lock ends with "there is no one else in Roman's unique position."

Someone like Roman, but there isn't really anyone like him or in his position.Again, you seem to be the one having trouble comprehending things.

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I read your quotes, you are spouting nonsense. You went after @Asmodeus . I stepped in to let you know what you were wrong about, and now you are trying to double down knowing that you have no argument.
And you failed miserably at pointing things that are wrong, because the once spouting nonsense is non other you.


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So now, it has to be a heel who isn't part of a stable?
You are the one that brought up the nWo.

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You are trying to change the goalposts, because it doesn't fit your silly narrative.
What goal posts have i changed?Again, i never said that Braun didn't win the feud with Roman.I just pointed out the fact that he didn't do it on his own or in a fair and square way.


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And wrestling is fake, him being the monster among men is just a gimmick.
Sure it is.So are most tv shows and movies.People still expect things to make sense in them and characters to act and be presented in a way faithful to their made up gimmick or character.

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So, once again, the person the party is standing in front of is just as important. I am glad you are finally getting the point.
You sure you read that point correctly?

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well, this is a Reigns thread, so of course he would be called a big deal in this thread. And you seemed to imply that Reigns is the problems for the attendance and ratings.
Now who is trying to read between the lines and put words into people's mouths?Where did i imply that Roman was the problem or the biggest problem?Saying that Reigns ain't big enough deal to improve the ratings or attendance is not the same as saying it's his fault they are shit.



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By the way, if we are talking numbers:

The WM brand in 2017 is worth: 195 million dollars

The WM brand worth in 2014: 105 million dollars.

I guess the last 3 wrestlemania main events haven't been slowing down the business like people want to say
Yep.The WM brand is big and successful still.But not enough to save them from cutting things like pyro.

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Re: This "Vince McMahon is desperate to get Roman cheered" fallacy needs to end

Nobody needs to point to online threads as proof why Balor is over.
He's over because he gets one of the loudest pops of the night every week. And that's the end of story. Someone who claims he isn't over is either deaf or delusional.

Almost on the level of sheer stupidity of the claim back in 2014 that Daniel Bryan isn't over, only his chant is.

WWE is making good profit this quarter because they cancelled every original Network show under the sun. As I said in another thread, if this was 1999, where WWE didn't have big TV network contracts to powder their lazy asses, where they actually had to also rely on attendance and PPV buys, WWE would be dead now, or severely in debt.
Just think about it for a minute: they have to drastically cut costs to turn in a good profit, DESPITE big TV money. I don't know where that money goes, but it's clear that it's compensating for the losses they take in attendance and venue merch.
PPV business is up over 20% this year. Their booking doesn't make a lick 's diffence in subscriptions, but apparently it does in PPV buys.

Vince started the Network way too early, and without thinking it through. The notion that TV is dead is blown way out of proportion.
TV is their livelihood. This ass backwards booking they do is reducing crowds to WCW 2000 levels of bad. If they get worse, I can totally see them steering towards a WCW Center Stage kind of situation, where they tape shows in a fixed venue to save costs, and only Raw will go on tour once a week. Because why go on the road where you barely draw 1.000 people or 5.000 people in a wrestling town like Baltimore, where crowds don't even buy much merch as well, when your bread and butter money is coming from a TV Network that you can satisfy easier, and with way less costs?

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Re: This "Vince McMahon is desperate to get Roman cheered" fallacy needs to end

Balor is definitely over, but not to the point that fans would ever lose their shit over his booking.


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Re: This "Vince McMahon is desperate to get Roman cheered" fallacy needs to end

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What goal posts have i changed?Again, i never said that Braun didn't win the feud with Roman.I just pointed out the fact that he didn't do it on his own or in a fair and square way.
Who cares about fair and square. Once again, this is wrestling, it has been around for generations. Terry Funk has cheated, Harley Race, cheated, Greg Valentine cheated.

Randy Savage won the IC title by putting his feet on the ropes. Does that mean his title win was less important? Maybe you should read more of those observer articles and start reading about results before trying to get into a conversation you seem to have a hard time knowing about.


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You sure you read that point correctly?
That Brock Lesnar drew a lot of interest with The Undertaker. More interest than he did with Roman Reigns, and Dean Ambrose.

Could it be because the Undertaker is a bigger star than those two? You know how a big star can make another guy look better, you know like how Roman Reigns can make Braun Strowman look better.

I got your point, you just don't understand you made my point.

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Now who is trying to read between the lines and put words into people's mouths?Where did i imply that Roman was the problem or the biggest problem?Saying that Reigns ain't big enough deal to improve the ratings or attendance is not the same as saying it's his fault they are shit.
Well, i sure as hell didn't bring up ratings, and attendance. This is a Roman Reigns thread, so who else would you be talking about.

The topic is about his push, and you bring up ratings and attendance. if it wasn't about roman, then what was it about? I would sincerely like to know.



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Yep.The WM brand is big and successful still.But not enough to save them from cutting things things like pyro.
Still made profit
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Nobody needs to point to online threads as proof why Balor is over.
He's over because he gets one of the loudest pops of the night every week. And that's the end of story. Someone who claims he isn't over is either deaf or delusional.

Almost on the level of sheer stupidity of the claim back in 2014 that Daniel Bryan isn't over, only his chant is.
Balor and Bryan aren't even comparable.

He doesn't even get the same pop he got the night after Mania.
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Who cares about fair and square.
Well, Vince does for one.If he doesn't think that shenanigans hurt a monster's aura, why is Lesnar running through everyone without having to resort to these sort of tactics?

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Once again, this is wrestling, it has been around for generations. Terry Funk has cheated, Harley Race, cheated, Greg Valentine cheated.

Randy Savage won the IC title by putting his feet on the ropes. Does that mean his title win was less important? Maybe you should read more of those observer articles and start reading about results before trying to get into a conversation you seem to have a hard time knowing about.
Follow your own advise.You are the one that entered a convo with me without knowing any better.

Sure, a lot of successful heels of the past cheated to win.That doesn't mean it works for everyone.Especially when everyone does it.

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That Brock Lesnar drew a lot of interest with The Undertaker. More interest than he did with Roman Reigns, and Dean Ambrose.


Could it be because the Undertaker is a bigger star than those two? You know how a big star can make another guy look better, you know like how Roman Reigns can make Braun Strowman look better.

I got your point, you just don't understand you made my point.
Their match at Mania still bombed, as i already mentioned.The crowd was not at all hot for it.


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Well, i sure as hell didn't bring up ratings, and attendance. This is a Roman Reigns thread, so who else would you be talking about.

The topic is about his push, and you bring up ratings and attendance. if it wasn't about roman, then what was it about? I would sincerely like to know.
We were arguing about Roman being a big deal and making every match feel important.

"Saying that Reigns ain't big enough deal to improve the ratings or attendance is not the same as saying it's his fault they are shit."

Let's say Roman debuted today, and was hyped to be the savior of wrestling, but then failed.Pointing out the fact that he ain't no savior is not the same as stating that he was the reason wrestling needed saving in the first place.



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