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Come on now LB. WWE is one of the most corrupt companies existing today, right up there with Youtube itself. They treat fans like piss and their workers like expendable Chinese children in an illegal sweatshop. The place is wrought with nepotism and yes-men who are about as in touch with their medium as Charles Manson is with society. Why on earth would it be so hard to believe that the same people that have misused small guys for years wouldn't know how to handle a whole division full of them? Especially one that caters to a style that the man running this giant shitshow loaths with a passion. Why give this company ANY benefit of the doubt? It's already more likely to be true than untrue.
Cronyism is probably a slightly better phrase to explain WWE. They stick out for their own rather than stick out for relatives. But ties are everywhere and relevant in every business known so it's also not that much of a criticism.

WWE is a parody of professional wrestling. The wrestlers in the WWE aren't pro-wrestlers. They are just entertainers. Clowns at a birthday party, a circus trope going town to town. Politicking isn't for everyone either.

Sure, top guys will make less around the world than they would for the WWE but job happiness is absolutely fucking massive. Some people will suffer shit for a decent pay. Others want to take pride in their work. All these guys latching onto the WWE here would also be saying "if you aren't happy, leave" if performers were showing extreme unhappiness. Just because someone had the stones to leave doesn't make them any less than what they were before.
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Re: Austin Aries On Money He Made In "Bingo Hall" vs. "The Big League"

This isn't surprising, guys in NXT legit make like 500 bucks a week for the most part. I'm sure the 205 live guys aren't much more.

Pro wrestling only really pays these days if you're a top guy who has pull. Guys like Cody, Aries, and Neville are better off as big draws on the Indy market.
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Guess this helps validify why Neville left.
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It might have worked if the Cruiserweight title had been pushed the way New Japan treats their Junior Heavyweight title and then have guys like Balor, Crews etc go after it.

However, precedence had been made when Rey won the world title. The talent themselves want to win the big titles. I'm convinced in US wrestling, a crusierweight division title will never be relevant.




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Realistically speaking if you have a name being an independent wrestler is GREAT. The fact that you calling your shots, dates, place etc. is awesome. You getting paid by doing the job you love and still have your free time with your family and other stuff.

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Re: Austin Aries On Money He Made In "Bingo Hall" vs. "The Big League"

Of course the CWs are getting "peanuts"

Not everyone can get more on the indy scene though so this is pointless.. someone like my boy Cedric would be better off in the E

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Indy Promotions probably have have travel/food/hotels setup via bulk discounts through a travel agency or site.

If you're a local business and these guys come through a few times a year and can get the majority of them to visit your place of business, you'd offer big discounts due to the bulk of Wrestlers coming making up for any discounts given.
I'm no expert, but from what I've been told there are lots of deals involved. Running a successful indy requires being a great dealmaker. Cost sharing and special packages are a thing and WWE does it too. Any business that involves employee travel does.

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As for venues, I'd imagine it's a tax write off for the Promotion and the Venue since the events aren't that big. The venues probably make money off ticket fees, merch and food sold at the place. Even if there is only a few hundred people, they're probably spending money. The promotion probably makes money off merch, autographs and various things such as that.

Since the money trickles down from top to bottom the bigger Wrestlers can be paid well.
AFAIK, though there's often a fee for providing the facilities and, say, display tables, merch sales are more for the talent than the promoter or venue. It's part of their income. That's why you should always buy a shirt or something if you appreciate a wrestler showing up at your local show. It helps them and good merch sales help convince them to come back.

Indies covers a wide range. Some are close to being 'pro' level, and able to pay more talent within a competitive range to WWE but with fewer dates. This is a perfect setup for those who would be earning mid to lower tier in WWE but who want freedom from a crazy schedule.

Smaller indy companies work with budgets that allow for one or two 'name' talents at bigger shows. They usually advertise the known wrestler (or even non-wrestling talent) as a draw to offset the increased costs of these key events. Sometimes a group of local indies will band together to spread the cost among them, creating shows that feature higher pay bracket stars alongside their regular combined rosters. Local sponsorship is also common. Again, it's a win-win; design and print company X puts out posters at a discount in exchange for having their name on display. Standard sports sponsorship stuff.

There is money to be made for enterprising types who want to freelance but there is the trade off that you have to know how to sell yourself and be willing to work venues in out-of-the-way places or overseas. For some, that's more aggravating and time-consuming than WWE, where you just show up where and when they tell you. And, of course, not everyone who sits on the lower WWE tier is going to find paychecks waiting on the indy scene simply because they can say they worked for the biggest name.
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Re: Austin Aries On Money He Made In "Bingo Hall" vs. "The Big League"

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Come on now LB. WWE is one of the most corrupt companies existing today, right up there with Youtube itself. They treat fans like piss and their workers like expendable Chinese children in an illegal sweatshop. The place is wrought with nepotism and yes-men who are about as in touch with their medium as Charles Manson is with society. Why on earth would it be so hard to believe that the same people that have misused small guys for years wouldn't know how to handle a whole division full of them? Especially one that caters to a style that the man running this giant shitshow loaths with a passion. Why give this company ANY benefit of the doubt? It's already more likely to be true than untrue.
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It might have worked if the Cruiserweight title had been pushed the way New Japan treats their Junior Heavyweight title and then have guys like Balor, Crews etc go after it.

However, precedence had been made when Rey won the world title. The talent themselves want to win the big titles. I'm convinced in US wrestling, a crusierweight division title will never be relevant.
Very true I agree about the cruiserweight title which is odd considering that in other combat sports the smaller weight guys draw money (Conner McGregor, GSP)
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Very true I agree about the cruiserweight title which is odd considering that in other combat sports the smaller weight guys draw money (Conner McGregor, GSP)
True point. MMA was in the 90s (in UFC as well as in Pride) quite focused on heavyweights. But when they got weight classes and did put the smaller guys on the same shows as the heavyweights the people, who mainly came for the heavies, watched their matches too and got into it.
Question is of course if this approach transitions well into wrestling, especially in the E where they are so focused on monsters. They usual E-marketing and having weight classes not goes along and they would need to change their game for 205. In other words: the problems of 205 will continue.
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