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Why are people afraid to admit the truth that the ongoing "Woman's wrestling movement" is fucking CRINGE!

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#1 ·
Its nothing but cringe! Worthless, pointless, annoying and total waste of time.

Women just can't wrestle as good as men.

This is the absolute truth. Why are people scared to say this? WWE should NOT be investing so much in women, they will never draw money this way. Women are always a side act to men in almost all sports because the concept of sports has always been about men, catering TO MEN. Ofcourse there might be exceptions, like the MMA where maybe you could make a case with Rousey but success like these are very very rare and not worth taking the risk of investing in them.

Also, the idea that female wrestling fans watch wrestling FOR WOMEN WRESTLERS is utterly FALSE. They don't. They watch it for male talents just like the male fanbase does. Female fanbase did not make Ronda Rousey a star, her male fanbase did. If female wrestling fans wanted to watch a sport that caters to their gender specifically, then they wouldn't be wasting their time with pro-wrestling to begin with. When is WWE gonna realize this and get their ass back on track?

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! STOP IT!
 
#2 ·
A lot of the women being showcased near the top of the card now are just as or more valuable money-wise as the majority of the male wrestlers, bar maybe 3 or 4. Plus, it's definitely important to present the company as being a part of the woman's movement in sport if they wish to appease their affiliates, as well as look like they belong with the current times.
 
#4 ·
I absolutely hate watching women wrestling on RAW or Smackdown or any other PPVs. The matches make me cringe. The fact that such matches even make it to TV makes me wonder what exactly Vince and his moronic son-in-law are thinking.

But I implore people to watch some of the Japanese women wrestling. It really is amazing; I'm a big fan of KANA and Kairi.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Charlotte, Sasha, Becky, Bayley. Emma, Mickie, Natalya, and Asuka can wrestle on par with the men. The Total Divas cast + Dana Brooke cannot. And the former are being featured heavily.

The Raw Women's Division was going places from January 2016 - December 2016. Smackdown was always and continues to be the multiwoman clusterfuck division.

I don't think anyone can keep a straight face and say that the Women's Revolution is in full swing with Alexa and Naomi as your champs. I think for the most part they have stopped saying Women's Revolution outside the context of the Women's MITB. I think when Ronda lost last December, Stephanie gave up on the Women's Revolution PR since she no longer has to pay her ghostwriter to discuss the Stephanie-Ronda showdown now that Ronda is passé.

I can understand why people think women's wrestling sucks if the worst are showcased. It's like I laugh when people suggest Enzo Amore should be put in the cruiserweight division. He's going to get exposed even more in the workrate division. The women's divisions currently have the Enzo Amore equivalent and Naomi. So I'm inclined to agree and say the women's revolution failed. In the digital era of free porn, Vince went back to T&A.
 
#95 ·
Charlotte, Sasha, Becky, Bayley. Emma, Mickie, Natalya, and Asuka can wrestle on par with the men.
I disagree to an extent. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a place for women wrestling and I do believe it should be promoted and showcased, but I do not believe most are on par with the majority of men on the roster. Though some are obviously closer than others.

The women in WWE don't wrestle in a way that makes some of the things they do believable. Before someone shouts "PEOPLE'S ELBOW" I know, not everything in wrestling is meant to be believable; but some things are. Strikes for example.

When men throw punches, they look like punches. When women/Shane McMahon/Dean Ambrose throw punches, they look sloppy, weak, and like they're not even trying. That takes me out of the moment and disrupts my suspension of disbelief.

Then there's the continued sexualization of the female talents while they run the narrative that they're not doing that anymore. There's a place for it, but goddamn, at least be honest about it.

Basically, I'm glad we've moved away from it being purely this-



But this-



isn't working for me and this



is. I want the women looking like they are trying to kill each other out there, the way female MMA fighters do. In MMA, female fighters don't look different when fighting compared to the guys, the only difference is sex/gender.

In WWE, women noticeably wrestle differently than the men do. And oftentimes it looks more choreographed, or made to look softer/weaker. When it doesn't and its identical, its awesome. But a flailing ratchet ass slap to the face that is supposed to be a punch is thrown, nope.

I don't want the women physically beating the shit out of each other like in MMA, I just want it to look like they are trying to(not counting the comedy acts).
 
#8 ·
Been known. They'll always be divas. Their wrestling is embarrassing just like this forced "women's revolution."
 
#9 ·
Women lack the mental/physical skills and the bone density of a male. Therefore they can never match upto male talents no matter how hard they try. They are incapable of thinking on the spot as well, which is essential in wrestling. Anyone remembers the botched spot in Charlotte/Sasha Hell in a cell match where Charlotte accidentally slowly falls on the table barely cracking it? You might recall the blank dumb stare that followed from both women unable to think and act on the spot. That is the perfect example of how incompetent women in general are. Ofcourse not all of them are dumb, just that its most of them. This is also why one must never put women in position of power...look what happened to Yahoo, hell look what is happening to Sweden right now.
 
#37 ·
Yes it is. And women are unnecessarily encroaching upon it in the name of "equality". Sports as a profitable industry exists today BECAUSE of men.

Women belong at home taking care of children, that's why the concept of marriage exist. Motherhood - arguably the greatest creation/gift of God is now being dismissed as an undesirable attribute, all in the name of equality and sexual liberation.

Before you brand me a sexist/misogynist..allow me explain...

Have you ever heard of a civilization where the concept of marriage didn't exist? If you think about it, marriage is at the very root of a civilization. The word civilization is derived from the root "civitas", which means city and denotes a high state of social development and organization. Advance organization was only possible and due to the construction of the first cities. Before the agricultural revelation circa 10k BC, humans were indistinguishable from animals. They lived in herds, in a state of nature, guided solely by their animistic instincts. There was no institution of marriage for hunter gatherer societies, because there was no need. Marriage is a cultural technology that was introduced to bring reproductive discipline in the face of a harsh Malthusian reality: that the growth of a population confining itself to a restricted area should be kept in check.

Before marriage, the cost of rearing a child was effectively socialized. The fathers of the children couldn't be determined, and the entire tribe was responsible of taking care of the women and kids. After building the first cities and the invention of marriage, the cost of child bearing was privatized. This meant that if the married couple did not have the means to take care of their offspring they weren't going to reproduce like rats. This also meant that if a man wanted to leave a genetic legacy after him, he had to channel his energy towards production, benefiting the entire society.

Thus patriarchy was born. Patriarchy is therefore simply civilization. Without patriarchy, there is no production, no security, no organization, no fucking society as we know it. Without patriarchy, there is no civilization, period.

Ever notice how nearly every invention, monumental structure, grand idea, social innovation is the product of men? There's a reason for this. It's because patriarchy is a way of channeling a man's sexual lust into productive endeavors. It promises guaranteed pussy in exchange for his labor. It also harnesses the power of less desirable males by integrating them into the sexual market. When you think about it, the fact that a majority of our men our able to mate is very unnatural in itself. In sexually dimorphic species, usually only the alpha males get to fuck. But not under a patriarchy. Under patriarchy, even the betas, hell, even the omega men, get to marry. So instead of idling, jerking off, playing Xbox, they are channeling their energy towards production.

Note that chastity, sanctity of marital vows and so on are just natural implications of marriage technology. They ensure that the male has guarantees over his genetic reproductive success in return for his labor. That is how you harness a male's labor. Without this, he won't commit, wont give up his labor so easily. Thus when you introduce degeneracy into society, males slowly start to opt out. And that's exactly what we're starting to see today, We are at an advanced stage of civilization decay.

Yes, sexual liberation is that bad.

 
#17 ·
I was ok with OP until he mentioned that women cannot think on the spot and should never be put in a position of power. I admit, the whole women's revolution has been mediocre but there's always been some standout moments here and there. The Charlotte vs Becky vs Sasha triple threat outshined all the other matches at wrestlemania. The whole Charlotte vs Sasha feud despite being a bit too overstretched, provided great matches. Recently, we had Nikki vs Asuka on NXT. Then there's the brilliant women's matches that exist outside of WWE.

You OP regardless, are obviously sexist.
 
#27 ·
People pretend they enjoy it to look virtuous. There is no way they can enjoy it to the same extent as the men's. The men are so clearly better it would be like saying a nursery school choir is as good as St Pauls Cathedrals.

Oh and to people saying that wwe needs to keep up with the womens Sports movement (WHAT MOVEMENT LOL womens sports are worse that's why no one watches them, it doesn't matter how many times the PC journalist tells me it's good ITS NOT).
WWE IS A FICTIONAL TV SHOW AND IS NOT A SPORT.
 
#28 ·
You destroyed your own argument. Well done.

You say women's sports are bad, but then mention how WWE is a fictional TV show. Well, the women are prominent fighters on this fictional program.

It blows my mind how people like you act like it is inconceivable for others to enjoy women's wrestling simply because you don't. It is extremely narrow-minded.
 
#29 ·
Let's be honest: women's wrestling now is so much better than two decades ago when I started watching. Alundra Blayze was he women's champ in a division with like two wrestlers. I mean, there was Bertha Faye! That was the extent of the competition.

But can you expect much, anyway? Look at every other women's sport and the difference between it and the male counterpart. There's a reason the WNBA is far far far far less popular than the NBA.
 
#30 ·
I loved women's wrestling starting from the day's of fabulous moolah to Alundra Blayze aka Madusa to Trish and Lita to Mickie James all the way to today I still love Mickie but there's not that many women I enjoy now it's still Mickie as well as Alexa, Charlotte and Nattie, Emma and Nikki the rest I find meh or don't really care for. Like the men's wrestling the booking is so bad and the storys are bad everything sucks about the wwe today everything in general not just the women.
 
#31 ·
couple of white knights on here.....sucking up to women doesn't get you out of the friend zone btw

and I think there is a place for it on the show but it is a niche product at best and there are FAR too many segments dedicated to women's wrestling. SD had over half a show all about the women the other week and it was unwatchable.

Bliss is only popular because she is attractive - yes she has talent on the mic but if she looked like Jo Brand then no one would care
 
#33 ·
1. Women entertain as action heroes in Hollywood movies. Same principle for Sports Entertainment.

2. Women characters in WWE can stir different emotions due to their gender, as the audience can attach emotionally to women characters differently to how they attach to male characters.

Eg, Sasha might remind me of my ex, or little girls might see the dynamic between Bliss/Nia and be reminded of an outcast/popular girl at school, so they invest more easily.
 
#34 ·
Ignoring the truly stupid people here making idiotic sexist claims and comments ...

What I WILL say is that the blanket statement that "Women can't wrestle as well as men" is patently RIDICULOUS and demonstrably, massively incorrect. The only people that would even claim such a nonsense have simply never watched Women wrestling with anything in mind other than "huuurrhh, boobs".

Are all female wrestlers as good as all AJ Styles? No.
But the number of MEN in WWE as good as Styles is less than 10. Hell, probably less than 5!

Some of the women's matches that we have seen in the last few years, including NXT outings by Banks, Bayley, Nia and Auska, have proven, without any shadow of a doubt that SOME women are BETTER than SOME men.

I mean, it's only logical really. Wrestling is a skill that is learn-able by anyone. People will learn at different rates, and will reach their limits at different points.
And these limits are NOTHING to do with what kind of genitals are in their tights.

If we were ever in doubt as to the mental age of many people on this forum, you really only have to mention female wrestlers to start weeding out the ones that never progressed past 11. "EWWW GIRLS! GROSS!"
 
#47 · (Edited)
That would make sense if wwe was a real sport and the women were as entertaining to watch as the men (like tennis).....but it's not.

Women can't do half the moves the men can, what they do do looks like it wouldn't hurt me, they are slower, weaker and don't do power moves. They do not intimidate me in the slightest and they all have the same character of woman.

This is an entertainment show. If I only have 3 hours of spare time a week to watch wrestling why would I waste any of that time watching something inferior?
It's the same as football (soccer), I only have so much time to watch it in a week so am I going to dedicate that time to mens football or slower and weaker women's football?

This isnt sexism, this isn't misogyny. THIS IS REALITY.
It's not as entertaining therefore it isn't as good and people who value their time wony want to watch it when they could watch something better.
 
#38 ·
"Women can't wrestle as good as men"

Okay, let's accept this as true.

So what? Lots of great stars throughout history weren't the most technical or powerful wrestlers. Today, Enzo Amore is worse than any woman in the ring but he's over.

And in theory you can evoke different emotions with women characters than you can with men characters (if the writing is good).

Any response?
 
#46 · (Edited)
"Women can't wrestle as good as men"

Okay, let's accept this as true.

So what? Lots of great stars throughout history weren't the most technical or powerful wrestlers. Today, Enzo Amore is worse than any woman in the ring but he's over.

And in theory you can evoke different emotions with women characters than you can with men characters (if the writing is good).

Any response?
Enzo is better than Lana in the ring, better than Bliss and equal to Carmella. Yes terrible compared to the men, one of the worst of all time but if you compare him to the women he's not that bad. The standards between the men and women are vastly different.

He can actually cut a promo unlike pretty much every single woman in the company. On the raw roster only Sasha has any proven mic skills and she's a long way from being average when compared to the men, let alone near Enzo.

The women just aren't as good as the men. Be it in the ring, on the mic, as characters and performers they're not even close to being near the men, they get far too much time in comparison to what their talent level deserves, particularly on smackdown where they regularly take up half the show.
 
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