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"Not a hate thread", yet OP is apparently gleeful that Bryan suffered a career ending injury. There is a cancer in this thread, but it's not Bryan;it's the OP.
OP is also pretending to be an AJ fan to hide his anti indy agenda

Dude is probably a Roman mark who is still bitter.

We've all fallen for it hook, line and sinker.


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i'd take bryan over any of the new guys bar aj

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I'm glad people are turning their backs on Bryan right now. I'm glad his career ended, actually. If he was still here, no new stars would have been built.
Stopped right there.. dumbest thing I've seen all day.. and that's saying a lot.
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Stopped right there.. dumbest thing I've seen all day.. and that's saying a lot.
Please don't be fooled into believing he's an AJ fan, he exposed himself in another shit thread he made...

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My favorite current star is AJ Styles. However, I think he's one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time and he's not really that great over-all. He is sub-par in the mic and he is currently showing how bland he is whenever he's a face. He repeats his line "face that runs the place" and "house that I built" 2 million times. His previous title run was overrated as fuck, it wasn't too entertaining and it didn't spawn any high tier matches (oh please, Cena vs Styles was before his run) and he is old as fuck. He's 40 years old and he will deteriorate soon so he shouldn't be invested in. I hope that he stays in the current midcard doghouse he is right now throughout his entire WWE career because he SHOULD pave way for new stars.

Okay, well that's what I hate about my current favorite star. What's yours?
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Whats up with this guy? All he does is make numerous random threads and subtly thrashes AJ in them claiming hes a fan
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Am I fucking going over?
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Re: If Daniel Bryan was still wrestling in WWE, we wouldn't be having any new stars (Styles, BRAUN, etc) right now

You want Randy Savage to get injured right after WM4 so that Rick Rude and Earthquake could be world champion?

It didn't work like that. Hulk Hogan is having the title regardless. And it still doesn't work like that now.
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Having an actual star at the top of the card would help guys get over...

Also, Vince doesn't give a shit what the crowd wants.
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Re: If Daniel Bryan was still wrestling in WWE, we wouldn't be having any new stars (Styles, BRAUN, etc) right now

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No one else gonna put this mark in his place? Fine, I will.

It's time for you to face facts, who was Bryan competing with for popularity? The Shield (young trio)? The Wyatts (young trio)? CM Punk who had flattened out and become a top star? Cena, the man who had been top for a billion years? AJ Lee? Cesaro? Sheamus? R-Truth? Heel Orton? Heel Lesnar? That's all.

There's more fan favorites on the roster which has made it difficult for any big player to get that big. Bryan was an accident that came from the WWE trying to sabotage him, the company inadvertently made him big.

AJ, Jericho, KO, Rollins, The Hardys (appeal to casuals and are hot off the Broken shtick), New Day (over with all demos), Nakamura, Zayn, Balor, Braun, Roman (yes, he has fans), Ambrose, Bray, Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Sasha, Bayley, Alexa, Charlotte etc...

The sheer number of options make it incredibly difficult to get over huge unless you receive perfect booking which puts you above the rest.

The underdog shit was getting old anyway, I absolutely hated the yes dribble. Bryan was above it and the shtick would have lasted so long before fans deserted him for someone else - sorry mark, but that's just fact, it always happens. Bryan was the hot thing for the time before they moved onto someone else.

Same happened to Punk, Ambrose, Rollins and the same has happened to AJ, and will happen to Braun. Difference between those guys and Bryan was that Bryan got injured before someone properly surpassed him so we're living with this idea that Bryan was unrivaled and can't be matched, when you know deep down someone would have surpassed him if he stuck around.

I mean, what's the point in supporting the underdog when he's no longer the underdog? The moment Bryan became a top guy, a lot of his fans would have jumped onto Ambrose, Rollins, Roman or Bray. The yes shtick can be fun for so long before it becomes tired and obnoxious.

Best in a long time? LMAO that shit was overrated AF, it has nothing on Punk-Cena.
I usually don't like doing the whole "gang up on Ace" thing, but this entire post is a load of bullshit.

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It's time for you to face facts, who was Bryan competing with for popularity? The Shield (young trio)? The Wyatts (young trio)? CM Punk who had flattened out and become a top star? Cena, the man who had been top for a billion years? AJ Lee? Cesaro? Sheamus? R-Truth? Heel Orton? Heel Lesnar? That's all.
It's not about "competing" for popularity. That's the biggest cop out argument you could possibly make and if you're doing it to try to defend AJ not being able to rise to the level of popularity that Bryan did, then all you're doing is admitting that AJ simply doesn't have what it takes.

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There's more fan favorites on the roster which has made it difficult for any big player to get that big. Bryan was an accident that came from the WWE trying to sabotage him, the company inadvertently made him big.
The yes chants where BRYAN'S idea. Him growing out his beard was HIS idea. Yes the WWE making a terrible booking decision jump started the yes movement, but to act like it was all WWE is laughable.

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AJ, Jericho, KO, Rollins, The Hardys (appeal to casuals and are hot off the Broken shtick), New Day (over with all demos), Nakamura, Zayn, Balor, Braun, Roman (yes, he has fans), Ambrose, Bray, Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Sasha, Bayley, Alexa, Charlotte etc...

The sheer number of options make it incredibly difficult to get over huge unless you receive perfect booking which puts you above the rest.
Rock and Austin both got over as the top guys on a much more stacked roster. This again is just you telling me that AJ simply isn't good enough to reach that status.

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The underdog shit was getting old anyway, I absolutely hated the yes dribble. Bryan was above it and the shtick would have lasted so long before fans deserted him for someone else - sorry mark, but that's just fact,
how is a prediction a fact? You giving us bullshit hypotheticals that you have no evidence to back up proves nothing.

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it always happens. Bryan was the hot thing for the time before they moved onto someone else.
They never "moved on" from Bryan. Yes chants are still a thing now even to this day long after Bryan has already retired.

And do you just think wrestlers being over are fads or something? The Rock was never a fad. Austin was never a fad. They were over for a reason because they were legitimate stars, as was Bryan. Your theory that it always happens is complete bullshit. When someone is over at this rate and gets the main stream attention that Bryan got, they will typically stay over.

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Same happened to Punk, Ambrose, Rollins and the same has happened to AJ, and will happen to Braun.
No it didn't because they never went through the situation Bryan did. Bryan didn't just get over, he became a legitimate ratings draw. Ambrose, Rollins, AJ and Braun have yet to have this happen to them. And they never once got over at the rate that Bryan did. Punk on the other hand had injury issues and lost all desire to care about Pro Wrestling.

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Difference between those guys and Bryan was that Bryan got injured before someone properly surpassed him so we're living with this idea that Bryan was unrivaled and can't be matched, when you know deep down someone would have surpassed him if he stuck around.
He couldn't be matched. There was no one like him. No one was able to do what Daniel Bryan did. He became so popular that an entire arena booed every single wrestler (except for Roman Reigns at the end oddly enough) when they realized Daniel Bryan wasn't in the Royal Rumble. You can't sit here and tell us that at some point, someone was going to replace Bryan because since then no one has been able to come close to doing what Bryan did. And that is a fact.

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I mean, what's the point in supporting the underdog when he's no longer the underdog? The moment Bryan became a top guy, a lot of his fans would have jumped onto Ambrose, Rollins, Roman or Bray. The yes shtick can be fun for so long before it becomes tired and obnoxious.
The Woo shtick didn't become tired and obnoxious. The What chants didn't become tired and obnoxious. Those are things people chant to this day and have been around for decades longer than the yes chants. Again, you are making bullshit claims with no legitimate evidence to back it up.

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Best in a long time? LMAO that shit was overrated AF, it has nothing on Punk-Cena.
The Bryan underdog story was without question the best story WWE had in a very long time. It created a legitimate ratings draw in Bryan and had much longer anticipation and build up. Cena/Punk without question had the better promos and matches, but the underdog story was simply a much better story and was executed a lot better too. And this can't be denied.

Daniel Bryan is one of the all time greats, whether you like it or not. And no amount of excuses you can come up with are going to change that. The person you were replying to was 100% correct. Styles can put on as many great matches as he wants, he's never going to be on Bryan's level.



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I usually don't like doing the whole "gang up on Ace" thing, but this entire post is a load of bullshit.



It's not about "competing" for popularity. That's the biggest cop out argument you could possibly make and if you're doing it to try to defend AJ not being able to rise to the level of popularity that Bryan did, then all you're doing is admitting that AJ simply doesn't have what it takes.



The yes chants where BRYAN'S idea. Him growing out his beard was HIS idea. Yes the WWE making a terrible booking decision jump started the yes movement, but to act like it was all WWE is laughable.



Rock and Austin both got over as the top guys on a much more stacked roster. This again is just you telling me that AJ simply isn't good enough to reach that status.



how is a prediction a fact? You giving us bullshit hypotheticals that you have no evidence to back up proves nothing.



They never "moved on" from Bryan. Yes chants are still a thing now even to this day long after Bryan has already retired.

And do you just think wrestlers being over are fads or something? The Rock was never a fad. Austin was never a fad. They were over for a reason because they were legitimate stars, as was Bryan. Your theory that it always happens is complete bullshit. When someone is over at this rate and gets the main stream attention that Bryan got, they will typically stay over.



No it didn't because they never went through the situation Bryan did. Bryan didn't just get over, he became a legitimate ratings draw. Ambrose, Rollins, AJ and Braun have yet to have this happen to them. And they never once got over at the rate that Bryan did. Punk on the other hand had injury issues.



He couldn't be matched. There was no one like him. No one was able to do what Daniel Bryan did. He became so popular that an entire arena booed every single wrestler (except for Roman Reigns at the end oddly enough) when they realized Daniel Bryan wasn't in the Royal Rumble. You can't sit here and tell us that at some point, someone was going to replace Bryan because since then no one has been able to come close to doing what Bryan did. And that is a fact.



The Woo shtick didn't become tired and obnoxious. The What chants didn't become tired and obnoxious. Those are things people chant to this day and have been around for decades longer than the yes chants. Again, you are making bullshit claims with no legitimate evidence to back it up.



The Bryan underdog story was without question the best story WWE had in a very long time. It created a legitimate ratings draw in Bryan and had much longer anticipation and build up. Cena/Punk without question had the better promos and matches, but the underdog story was simply a much better story and was executed a lot better too. And this can't be denied.

Daniel Bryan is one of the all time greats, whether you like it or not. And no amount of excuses you can come up with are going to change that. The person you were replying to was 100% correct. Styles can put on as many great matches as he wants, he's never going to be on Bryan's level.
Another delusional Bryan mark, this has ZERO to do with AJ not being as over, he's not close. Honestly, I think Ambrose in 2014 was a lot more over than AJ at his peak, but again this has nothing to do with AJ.

That post was intended for EVERYONE, it takes special circumstances or unreal charisma to get to that level, even then it's not a certainty. It's near on impossible for this roster when there isn't anyone on the roster who has the charisma and has a strong field to compete with, then there's the whole issue with WWE booking which worked in favor of Bryan. There are 20+ options of stars who the fans can behind with at least a dozen being considered top stars by the WWE. What were the top 5 FTers back in Bryan's time?

Punk? Over with smarks but couldn't get over with everyone because of his attitude.
Cena? Over with casuals, women and children but hated by smarks because of his superman booking
Orton? Heel and again not liked by smarks.
Lesnar? Barely around, really over when he was there.
Taker? Never around.

FGS Dolph Ziggler was considered a top babyface back then That's how bad things were back then.

Bryan doesn't have have unreal charisma that Austin and Rock had, not even close. That's not a mark against Bryan, it's more so about how great those two were.

Bryan was over and yeah the yes shit was his idea and was initially used to annoy people, but it was booking which got him over huge. Bryan was booked like shit and was a genuine underdog who was being undermined by the company, both on and off TV. The story WAS unintentionally written for him to main event WM after Orton cashed in on him at Summerslam, it's moronic that they thought that Batista-Orton should have main evented WM after that. It's really easy to see why he took off with the way the WWE booked him.

It's silly to think Bryan would have sustained his popularity over multiple years as an underdog who beats everyone. He was going to fall the moment he became a top guy and went against his character. Fans would have slowly jumped off the Bryan train and would have picked up on guys like Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Bray etc. once those guys singles careers took off. It's only natural and happens to everyone, including Rock and Austin who would have had their popularity taken hits (albeit much smaller because of their charisma) once they stayed at the top for so long, problem with Bryan was his character was an underdog, once he's 'made it' he loses a lot of appeal, he doesn't have the charisma of a Rock or Austin to sustain the popularity.


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