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post #11 of 35 (permalink) Old 03-26-2017, 04:12 PM
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Re: I've been thinking...and you can move this if you want...

Put it this way.
Cena has won the main title 16 times.
Many wrestlers have won the main title once.

As much as I love some of those 1 time winners (i.e. Miz), their 1 reign is a footnote in history.
Cena re-writes history.

Winning the title once means you were important for that period of time, but if you go back down the card, your reign gets forgotten. And you seem less valuable.

By being someone who can keep winning the main title, that means you've proven yourself to be GREAT enough multiple times to be the champ and the face of the company/brand.
Winning the title and then being stuck in mid-card hell means you haven't been able to re-elevate yourself to greatness.
If you want to be good, you can be happy with winning the title.
If you want to be great/legendary, you want to be the champ as often as possible.

It's like saying, you can get an "A" doing 30WPM. That's good - nothing wrong with good.
But 30 WPM isn't great. If I want people to know that I'm great, I'll let them see me do 75-80WPM. And I'll get an A+.

It's all about drive and wanting to be the best you can be. Some people are okay with being "Good enough". And that's fine; but it's not special. Tons of people are "good enough".
But the legends want to be "great" (or better). They do the best they can because they want to see how good they can be and for how long.
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But once you've done it? What's next?
Creating a legacy, trying to join the names of all time greats. Hearing people say your name and getting goosebumps off of it. Both Miz and Austin won the WWE title but their is a HUGE difference between them in career achievements.

The championship is just a prop, the real thig that makes you a legend is your career and how enjoyable it was and important it was.



"Meaningless, huh?! What do you know of meaningless?!

Spend most of your life ruled by another...watch your race dwindle to a handful...and then, tell me what has more meaning than your own strength.

I have in me the blood of a Saiyan Prince, he is nothing but a joke. Yet I've had to watch him surpass me in strength, my destiny, thrown to the wayside!

He's...he's even saved my life as if I were a helpless child. He has stolen my honor...and his debts...must be paid!"

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A lot of wrestlers' main aims will always be to win the world title, but you've got to think, many wrestlers are going to want to go down in history as one of the all time greats, and simply winning the world title is just not enough for that. Take Jack Swagger for example, yeah he was world champion, of course, but it's highly unlikely he considers his career an overall success, especially with what happened to him over the last 2 years or so. It's longevity and becoming popular at the top that is probably more important than simply getting that one big moment for a lot of people.





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Kayfabe results aren't exactly the greatest parameters imo. I don't championship reigns mean
nothing at all but it's more like a way of how the company sees them. William Regal for example.

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If it's about what you have achieved over the course of your career and the impact you had on the business then would the HOF be the end goal?

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Kayfabe results aren't exactly the greatest parameters imo. I don't championship reigns mean
nothing at all but it's more like a way of how the company sees them. William Regal for example.
if kayfabe results meant nothing nobody would have cared about triple hs reign of terror, super cena or now how they treat roman

truth is people deeply care about kayfabe accomplishments
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if kayfabe results meant nothing nobody would have cared about triple hs reign of terror, super cena or now how they treat roman

truth is people deeply care about kayfabe accomplishments
Read carefully. I didn't say that nobody cared about them, I said they weren't exactly the
greatest parameters for quality. I do agree that people, especially fans care about kayfabe
accomplishments. It's like the company awards you with a kayfabe win as a result for your
work.

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Re: I've been thinking...and you can move this if you want...

I get what you're trying to say op. Once you get over and win the world title, there's nowhere else to go. In most cases you've reached your ideal CONDITION.

However at the end of the day the title is simply a prop used in the main storyline. There's a lot more to wrestling than winning titles. The amount of titles a superstar has won isn't the only way to measure success.

Success in wrestling imo is measured by the amount of talent possessed by a superstar and also by the kind of mark they left on the industry. Once you're on top, that's done by creating big moments, being consistently entertaining, great feuds etc etc.

I don't know if that's considered 'improving', but it's certainly advancing and leaving a mark.

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Read carefully. I didn't say that nobody cared about them, I said they weren't exactly the
greatest parameters for quality. I do agree that people, especially fans care about kayfabe
accomplishments. It's like the company awards you with a kayfabe win as a result for your
work.
ah well i do sort of agree, but who choses the parameters? the company will have different parameters to you or i, ill have different parameters to you in terms of why the title or kayfabe achievement should go on an individual
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I'm just saying, this isn't just about wrestling. Once you have achieved the maximum required for an A in a course, why try any harder? Once you're over enough to win the title in WWE why try any harder? Just keep doing what you're doing and eventually you'll get the title back.
And this is bad, how? If you've come to a point where you remain over even though you don't have to try hard, boy, you've made it. It's the student who cracks the books and studies hard, not the teacher.
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