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Triple H only puts over people at Wrestlemania, in hopes of people forgetting his countless burials at the other 11 PPVs. It's clearly working on some folk, he's a clever bastard.
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post #142 of 150 (permalink) Old 02-07-2017, 11:48 AM
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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

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Triple H only puts over people at Wrestlemania, in hopes of people forgetting his countless burials at the other 11 PPVs. It's clearly working on some folk, he's a clever bastard.
My favorite is the "Triple H special" where he goes over at Mania and then jobs at a filler PPV right after that everyone will forget about (Orton, Sheamus, Lesnar). Would have happened with Rock too after WM2000 but the Austin pop made it more memorable than the Mania match

As for the OP, I don't blame him for having a match and being in the main event last year. Injuries fucked up alot of plans and they were short handed, no complaints from me.

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Because contrary to what some people on this forum think, Triple H is a draw and there are a lot of fans who are still very much interested in watching him perform.
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I still mark for his heel promos and when his music hits

Its the king of fkin kings

Deal with it IWC

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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

I read just about every day but don't post too much, but this one I feel I need to say something. I'm wish you. I don't think HHH needs a match every year. Honestly, I think we're at a point with Undertaker where maybe they should move on from him with a match every year since we don't even have the streak to care about.

This post might be kind of a ramble but bear with me.

I was going back on the network and watching great matches. The problem is today is part storytelling, but I think we were spoiled with tremendous attitude era guys. Where is the WWE going to ever get a guy like Kurt Angle ever again? It's so incredible that an Olympic Gold Medalist who was that gifted both on the mat and in the WWE ring with that much charisma. The PG era can't make guys like The Rock or Stone Cold or Mick Foley. Undertaker in his heyday? HHH. These guys were a truly special group.

The reason HHH has a match is because the WWE tries so hard to cling on to that amazing era that we may not see for a long, long time. But that's also a problem. The WWE needs to move on. At the end of the day we want great matches. That is what entertains me. Great matches like Angle vs. Michaels at Mania. Stone Cold vs. The Rock at Mania. HBK vs. Taker. When you have a parttime wrestler like HHH he might still be able to put on a good match but it's also harder to get invested in it and it doesn't help me care about these other fulltime guys moving forward.

I have no doubt that Cesaro and Jericho could put on an epic 20 minute mania match filled with amazing spots and moves. I have no doubt that Rusev and Kevin Owens could put on a tremendous and brutal street fight. I have no doubt that Dolph Ziggler and Randy Orton could put on an incredible match. That Dean Ambrose and John Cena would have a great match.

But Cesaro will probably burried in the Battle Royal. Rusev probably in that as well because we'll need time for Lesnar vs. Goldberg maybe even for the title... and HHH vs. Shane? Taker vs. Strowman?

WWE is taking the short term pop and is completely ignoring what made them beat WCW. They moved past old guys who maybe still were popular to let the young guys shine. Now they're sticking with the old guys way too much and not giving the spotlight to the young guys.

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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

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Piggybacking on a question asked by another commenter in the thread about a possible Rollins replacement for HHH this year. It's a good question.

Triple H does not move the needle the way other part-time performers that have recently been given big Mania spots do. Undertaker is synonymous with WM memories whereas Hunter is largely associated with bad matches at the event. He doesn't have the star power of The Rock, doesn't induce the "big fight feel" like Brock, doesn't have the novelty/nostalgia factor currently working for Goldberg.

Why can't the guy take a year off from the show? I know the company is scared about how many performers it has left that people care about and that's fair. But Hunter's inclusion in that group of beloved names is dubious to begin with and his programs/matches at 'Mania are seen as regrettable more often than not. So why is there this mentality that every January/February, they HAVE to start laying the seeds for a new Triple H feud?
HHH IS a draw, maybe not on the same level as Brock, Rock, Taker etc. But all the names you've mentioned have drawbacks that HHH doesn't.

Taker can't put on a good match anymore, HHH can.

The Rock doesn't need to wrestle anymore even though I'm sure he could still go. He's bigger than the wrestling industry. HHH isn't, he is a big time player in WWE still and has never left.

Brock doesn't have a big fight feel for me at all, he looks like he can't be fucked half the time and the only feel I get from him is that someone is about to get squashed.

Goldberg is getting a reaction but he was never the best in the ring. HHH is a superior performer and as above he is still a draw.

Nobody complains about Jericho being on the scene still. Trips has cut down on his schedule as he's more involved behind the scenes but he can still go just as Jericho can when he's in the ring. So what he wants to perform at WM every year? He justifies it because he still puts on a good match generally and puts guys over, Reigns last WM and Rollins this WM if he is fit to compete.

I wasn't happy about him main eventing last year but it was something that happened due to circumstance. I'm sure if he was main eventing with anyone other than Reigns it wouldn't have caused such an issue.


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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

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Taker can't put on a good match anymore, HHH can. .
Taker/Lesnar HIAC was good, since then he's been in three matches

One was a tag match which there was basically no point to other then to get Taker on the card for the 25th anniversary of his debut
One was against Shane McMahon
The other was a Rumble match

I realize that it's been almost a year and a half but how many times have we said "Taker is finished now, time to retire" before?
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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

Because he has more star power than any full timer.

The promo that led to the joe debut had me put my phone down and garnered my full attention. The only people who can still do that are Cena, Styles, Goldberg, and Brock/Heyman.
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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

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Taker/Lesnar HIAC was good, since then he's been in three matches

One was a tag match which there was basically no point to other then to get Taker on the card for the 25th anniversary of his debut
One was against Shane McMahon
The other was a Rumble match

I realize that it's been almost a year and a half but how many times have we said "Taker is finished now, time to retire" before?
I guess it's all a matter of opinion, I wasn't overly sold on the HIAC with Lesnar but it was the best I've seen from him for quite some time.

His movement in the Rumble wasn't encouraging, he didn't look too comfortable and I can't see him going as well as HHH can anymore.

I hope he proves me wrong of course, I don't want to see one of the all time greats go out with a whimper that's for sure.


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Re: Why does Triple H need a 'Mania match every year?

cuz hhh is one of the GOAT. he is in the mount rushmore of heels, no doubt. ppl wont put him there outta pure spite and bias, but he was absolutely hated from 1999-2006. his mic skills are top tier, he's great in the ring, and he has great charisma. even as a face, he still got cheered heavily, almost to the same extent of austin and rock (just watch his videos in early 2002 and 2007-2013). as i said, its out of pure spite and bias and jealousy that ppl dont like him.
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