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Honestly, it can be a combination of many things. Fans today are definitely lower quality human beings than fans of 20 years ago. It used to be you were going to a wrestling show to have a good time, not to try and BE the wrestling show, it's like the geekiest shit I've ever seen in my life. What disgusts me about is they think they're being like the rebel "cool" fans of the late 90s in ECW, but what they aren't getting is the ECW crowd legitimately WAS part of the show, and loved every performer on the show, whether they chanted funny/ignorant shit at them or not. Crowds today do it to be disruptive, or rebel against an invisible threat, while still buying NXT tickets and thinking they're the coolest people in the world for it

But back to what I mean by the combination of things, at the end of the day, the show fucking SUCKS. A big reason the fans are so bored and disruptive is because the WWE can't hold their interest anymore. And because their performers fucking SUCK at working crowds, too. You didn't see crowds doing this shit years ago, because they were actually entertained and invested in the show. Now they're bored out of their minds because they're sitting there for over 3 hours a night watching endless filler garbage, and getting slapped in the face with WWE propaganda at all times. What idiot pays money for this shit? I wouldn't attend Wrestlemania for free at this point because they don't deserve me filling a seat for them.
Yeh, well in defense of these fans I agree. I also believe that the show is so bad that I find it hard to blame them. I still think they should just NOT GO in that case. Rather than go and try to become the show. The show sucks is the main culprit but there are other factors at play here

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This stupid argument again?

You can post your drivel as many times as you want, TrollestDude, answer is still and will always be its on the WWE to put on better shows

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The 8 million fans who stopped watching (casual sports fan type fans) never got what they wanted. So should the wwe continue to cater to the tiny fanbase they now have or should they actually try and appeal to the fans they used to have to get people back to watching.
Thank Cena, Orton, Batista and Triple H for that. The ratings plummeted throughout the Ruthless Aggression Era pretty consistently with the same drop off as they have the last couple of years. Let's not play revisionist here and blame it on the "indy guys" because those other big muscly guys had the exact same problem with viewer retention, or does that not fit into your fantasy narrative enough?
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Yeh, well in defense of these fans I agree. I also believe that the show is so bad that I find it hard to blame them. I still think they should just NOT GO in that case. Rather than go and try to become the show. The show sucks is the main culprit but there are other factors at play here
Well, they're not going. Attendance is falling and now they're at the point of handing 50 year old Goldberg sacks with dollar signs on them to come draw crowds for them.
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If the WWE would actually give the fans what they wanted instead of Vince trying to shove things that don't work down fans throats most of those things would never happen.
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THis isn't the case at all. NOT AT ALL. The fans hijack good stuff because it isn't what they want. It happens all the time. If it was botch filled like, say, a sasha banks match then I could understand. But thats not the case. Bryan gets eliminated and they hijack it...that doesn't mean its bad just because some dude got eliminated. Especially when that guy is never going to be a star., its not like stone cold or the rock get eliminated, its some dude.
Wrestling is supposed to be entertaining. Sometimes you can get away with not giving fans what they want and still be entertaining, sometimes you can't. After all these years in the business, Vince still hasn't figured out when he can and can't get away with it. He seems to think it's more important to swerve the fans than to leave them satisfied. Sometimes there's and endgame where the payoff is worth a few months of disappointments, but I haven't seen any examples of that in many, many years.

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Well, they're not going. Attendance is falling and now they're at the point of handing 50 year old Goldberg sacks with dollar signs on them to come draw crowds for them.
I wonder which fans arent going though. Maybe its just even less casuals are now going. Part of that might be that they are put off by the crowd they have to sit in. If you go to a show and you have some obnoxious dude next to you who is just chanting a new piece of stupid shit every few minutes then I bet you would think twice about going again.

Fans nowadays seems to just want to chant anything they can. Even sparklewhatever or tater tots got over with the live crowds because they want to be the show and will chant anything. Imagine sitting next to some grown dude who is just chanting whatever stupid shit he can? I would never go again! Its not organic. Its just annoying and lame.

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I lost respect for them when they dared give Bret Hart and Taker the fucking "what" treatment

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Someone still bitter people shat on Batista and Reign's stupid fucking booking at the 2014 and 2015 Rumble?

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Honestly, it can be a combination of many things. Fans today are definitely lower quality human beings than fans of 20 years ago. It used to be you were going to a wrestling show to have a good time, not to try and BE the wrestling show, it's like the geekiest shit I've ever seen in my life.
What proof do you have that fans today are lower quality human beings?

20 years ago fans were starting riots during wrestling shows because the results didn't go their way. Young kids were copying Austin by sticking up their fingers and pulling at their crotch. ECW had fans shooting up in the lanes before shows but fans are lower quality today when its mostly middle class families?

Also fans back then for sure went to show to get themselves over. They didn't spend all that time creating signs and sticking them in front of your face trying to get on camera so you missed half the show.
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