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Concussion Lawsuit - Making the case for Ahmed Johnson

I was looking at the concussion lawsuit details this week and saw that the count is now up to 50 wrestlers who are suing WWE.

Some of the complaints are difficult to pin on WWE, such as Axl Rotten. He barely wrestled in WWE, and just because the company purchased ECW's intellectual properties I don't think that this would open them up to the liability of having to pay for the concussions sustained in their matches.

But moving past them, a chief complaint is that someone like a Road Warrior Animal or a Paul Orndorff only wrestled part of their career in WWE. Which is true. But if you were to take their career and gauge how many matches they wrestled while in WWE versus their overall career, the lauded heavy schedule (300+ days a year) of the past will have accounted for a high percentage of many wrestlers. And the hard rings pre-1998 will be a factor too when judging the effects of how many matches were held in them.

We can use Ahmed Johnson for example. Excluding independent shows, let's divide his career into three primary phases: Global Wrestling Federation, World Wrestling Federation, World Championship Wrestling

GWF (1993-1994): 37 matches
WWF (1995-1998): 283 matches (39 in 1995, 129* in 1996, 115 in 1997, 4 in 1998)
WCW (2000): 25 matches
results from historyofwwe.com and profightdb.com


An example of the schedule - Between May 26th and June 1st, 1996 (7 days), Ahmed wrestled in eleven separate matches. The last three nights of that run, he wrestled twice on each card.

Of course this does not include time on the independent circuit. But the three organizations above make up the bulk of his career, and of all the matches he wrestled in GWF, WWF, and WCW, the World Wrestling Federation accounted for 82.03%.

You'll likely find very similar stats with wrestlers like Bryan Clark, Boris Zukhov, Jim Brunzell, Mike Enos, Henry Godwinn, Warlord, and Barbarian. They did not wrestle all of their careers in WWF - few wrestlers do - but the majority of the matches that they wrestled took place in WWE rings.

That said, what is the ramification to WWE? I think it is entirely plausible that they are hit with a substantial judgment - or notwithstanding that - they are forced to settle for a very large sum of money. And for a company that is currently enjoying record revenue levels, but not record profitability, this could be a very, very big blow for them with a rippling effect throughout the wrestling industry.

Curious what your thoughts are.
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They're just trying to get some extra WWE money, simple as that. This entire thing seems like nothing but greed to me.


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Has anyone SEEN Sabu wrestle? There's a reason he's called suicidal its because he just does crazy shit and gets hurt. How he even thinks WWE is to blame when he's wrestled before and after his 5 minutes in WWE and still did the crazy shit. Just take a look at the list many of them even stopped wrestling for decades yet blame WWE thats utterly ridiculous. Hassan wrestled a brief time and retired for ELEVEN YEARS. If he had any issues with "brain injury" then sure to fuck he would have bloody mentioned it before NOW. There are genuine cases out there but this is not one and i hope to god it gets thrown out

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Yeah, Sabu would have a very, very difficult case to prove. But someone like Slick, who is part of the WWE lawsuit would be almost a slam dunk if you could prove he had a concussion during his WWE run. Because apart from a brief stint in Central States in 1986, he spent his entire career in WWE. And he did take bumps on occasion.



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This guy could sneeze and get injured. Fuck outta here.
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The lawsuit doesn't hinge on whether those guys suffered concussions in WWE...it hinges on whether or not WWE had knowledge of brain damage due to concussions and withheld that info from wrestlers like the nfl did for years

Like the other lawsuit there is very little chance of this even going to court
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Ahmed Johnson was so fucked up mentally, he should have never been in the business in the first place. He was overpushed, lazy, and a total unprofessional in the ring. He was Psycho Sid minus the passion and only ten times worse.



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The lawsuit doesn't hinge on whether those guys suffered concussions in WWE...it hinges on whether or not WWE had knowledge of brain damage due to concussions and withheld that info from wrestlers like the nfl did for years

Like the other lawsuit there is very little chance of this even going to court
It matters because a lot of the guys were barely in the WWF/WWE how can it be their fault if these guys wrestled for decades afterwards in places like Japan ROH TNA. This is only because of money it has fuck all to do with the morality of the WWE over supposed "hidden" knowledge

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The lawsuit doesn't hinge on whether those guys suffered concussions in WWE...it hinges on whether or not WWE had knowledge of brain damage due to concussions and withheld that info from wrestlers like the nfl did for years

Like the other lawsuit there is very little chance of this even going to court
Wouldn't part of it be the workplace conditions - i.e. unsafe ring (they were very hard prior to 1998) be a factor? As well as pushing the wrestlers back out there whether they had a concussion or not?

I know by the 1990s the WWE at least had a trainer available to the wrestlers backstage, but did they while on the road? I know WCW didn't - Van Hammer once had to fix a broken nose after a house show at the Omni in November 1992 by sticking a sharpie up it.
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It matters because a lot of the guys were barely in the WWF/WWE how can it be their fault if these guys wrestled for decades afterwards in places like Japan ROH TNA. This is only because of money it has fuck all to do with the morality of the WWE over supposed "hidden" knowledge
Right...but I think if you are on the legal team, you focus on the talent who either spent almost all their careers exclusively (like Slick), or wrestlers who wrestled the majority of their matches in WWE. Sabu doesn't have a case. Ahmed Johnson might, because the majority of his career his spent in a WWE ring if you look at the number of matches wrestled and where they took place.
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