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post #61 of 110 (permalink) Old 06-20-2016, 08:13 PM
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Re: Something thats pretty funny about this whole Ambrose/Reigns situation

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EDIT: Holy shit Thwag, we posted about the same thing at the same time basically
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I agree Ambrose is a terrible wrestler. Not sure why that opinion is getting such backlash.

He is also goofy, with an ill-defined character. The same things that put me off, are the same thing that attract his fans to him. They like his off-beat weirdness. That's fine. But liking him doesn't mean he is good in the ring. Essentially, Ambrose isn't the answer and neither is Reigns. I do think Reigns is more convinving as an in-ring force, and he can actually throw a better "working punch" than Ambrose. Both of them have terrible facial expressions, Dean is over the top, and Reigns is non-existent.

I don't like him but at least Ambrose has some level of some type of charisma though. Ultimately that's better than having a manequin as a champion.
How is he an ill-defined character? Literally makes 0 sense and you gave no valid explanation. Just because it's a character you don't like doesn't mean it's badly portrayed, which is clearly what you're actually saying.

Oh yes, we go back to the 'Ambrose can't punch, wah, punching is all there is to a moveset' garbage. Lemme guess, you're gonna call him skinny now or complain about his hairline, right? So predictable from anti-Ambrose people, it's not even funny.
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post #62 of 110 (permalink) Old 06-20-2016, 08:18 PM
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Re: Something thats pretty funny about this whole Ambrose/Reigns situation

Dean Ambrose doesn't impress me much in the ring but is serviceable. Reigns has progressed in that area and is the better wrestler although he is still average himself. Seth Rollins is the elite worker out of the Shield members. I only put Dean ahead of Roman in terms of natural charisma in front of an audience and mic ability. I just hope becoming champion will light a fire under him. If a performer stops caring, so will I. Fortunately, he has started to show some heart again in recent weeks. I hope this championship run works out for him.

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Re: Something thats pretty funny about this whole Ambrose/Reigns situation

Haven't seen many pro-Reigns posts the last few hours.

Must have had to go eat dinner and finish their geometry homework.
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How is he an ill-defined character? Literally makes 0 sense and you gave no valid explanation. Just because it's a character you don't like doesn't mean it's badly portrayed, which is clearly what you're actually saying.

Oh yes, we go back to the 'Ambrose can't punch, wah, punching is all there is to a moveset' garbage. Lemme guess, you're gonna call him skinny now or complain about his hairline, right? So predictable from anti-Ambrose people, it's not even funny.
In answer to your first part.. I thought this was self-evident and required no explanation.. this being wrestling forum.. where we over analyse. It is common knowledge that Ambrose is the lunatic who is not a lunatic.. that's where the poor character development comes from. It does make literal sense.

It's okay to mark for someone and not like the characer or accept it as logical (Like me with Bryan). You just happen to like Ambrose and find his character good as well. Good for you.. that means you'll get more enjoyment out of his title run than me. I can't force myself to like him, but I will try and appreciate what I do enjoy about him, as always.

I did go back to the punching comparison, but you have to remember that some dude made a comparison thread and I'm merely contributing to that. It's not me simply coming out with this out of thin air... some guy literally made a thread comparing their ability, and I'm giving my opinion. Whilst I do not like Ambrose's in ring style or character, I did feel it necessary to point out he is a better champ than Reigns (as I feel your babyface champions should be cheered). Perhaps I should have made that more clear.

I don't hate Ambrose... he is not really hate-able. He just doesn't do an awful lot for me. Perhaps the reason I don't like the character is because it's not crazy and it could be if booked better. I'm not really sure. As I said...this is an improvement on Reigns, that's as much as I can say. Not everyone is going to mark for your boy or see him how you do.
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In answer to your first part.. I thought this was self-evident and required no explanation.. this being wrestling forum.. where we over analyse. It is common knowledge that Ambrose is the lunatic who is not a lunatic.. that's where the poor character development comes from. It does make literal sense.

It's okay to mark for someone and not like the characer or accept it as logical (Like me with Bryan). You just happen to like Ambrose and find his character good as well. Good for you.. that means you'll get more enjoyment out of his title run than me. I can't force myself to like him, but I will try and appreciate what I do enjoy about him, as always.

I did go back to the punching comparison, but you have to remember that some dude made a comparison thread and I'm merely contributing to that. It's not me simply coming out with this out of thin air... some guy literally made a thread comparing their ability, and I'm giving my opinion. Whilst I do not like Ambrose's in ring style or character, I did feel it necessary to point out he is a better champ than Reigns (as I feel your babyface champions should be cheered). Perhaps I should have made that more clear.

I don't hate Ambrose... he is not really hate-able. He just doesn't do an awful lot for me. Perhaps the reason I don't like the character is because it's not crazy and it could be if booked better. I'm not really sure. As I said...this is an improvement on Reigns, that's as much as I can say. Not everyone is going to mark for your boy or see him how you do.
I have to admit, I think this is a very well thought out post and does explain your viewpoint better. I disagree with a decent amount of what you've said, but I don't think you'll waver on any of it with any feedback I can give you.

I'll agree that I wish he did have a bit more crazy to him, but I think WWE doesn't know how to balance it. They want him whacky enough to appeal to kids and have his merch make sense, but they won't let him go that extra edge. I think his body language and expressions convey the character just right, ESPECIALLY last night with him switching between being a stern stone and spazzing the fuck out in seconds. We've seen hints of this in promos, but nearly enough to be consistent with what he does in the ring and with his face and body language.
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Re: Something thats pretty funny about this whole Ambrose/Reigns situation

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I have to admit, I think this is a very well thought out post and does explain your viewpoint better. I disagree with a decent amount of what you've said, but I don't think you'll waver on any of it with any feedback I can give you.
Right back at you Thwagg...but then again we have always disagreed on pretty much everything except for our thoughts on Swagger. We don't see things the same and couldn't convince the other... I just want to do this amicably.

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I'll agree that I wish he did have a bit more crazy to him, but I think WWE doesn't know how to balance it. They want him whacky enough to appeal to kids and have his merch make sense, but they won't let him go that extra edge. I think his body language and expressions convey the character just right, ESPECIALLY last night with him switching between being a stern stone and spazzing the fuck out in seconds. We've seen hints of this in promos, but nearly enough to be consistent with what he does in the ring and with his face and body language.
Creative booking is a huge issue. The kid inside me enjoys the idea of liking a character like Ambrose. On paper, he is everything you want, an Austin/Pillman re-incarnate with a touch of Foley and a bloody violent history and an unpredictable nature.

However, the execution puts me off. Green goo, popcorn, soda pop, and exploding television sets, coupled with a "feud" over a jacket and a plant pot. I understand the need for this balance to try and draw in all the different demographics, like you've basically hinted at, but up to now it hasn't captured my imagination.

Well.. he's coming out now, and I hope to see tweaks, swerves, and development on his character, I'm not sure WWE just presenting old Ambrose will retain the audience.
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Anyone who tries to tell me Ambrose has been wrestling better than Reigns for the last 6 months is blinded by an agenda. I do not like Reigns at all but he has been WAY better than Ambrose in the last 6 months. Ambrose has had boring match after boring match after boring match. His moveset is even more limited than Reigns.
His moveset is limited by design. Deans been neutered to not outshine reigns, and it didnt work, hes way more over than roman
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Dean can wrestle, he just chooses not to.
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Dean can wrestle, but he hasn't showcased it in years. Pretty sure he still has that capability.

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Is that a lot of people hate Reigns because he apparently cannot wrestle or is not good enough in the ring to be champion. They feel he is in the position because of other things rather than his in ring quality. People only chant at him that he can't wrestle.

And yet they celebrate a guy who, wrestling wise, is probably the worst champion in history. There are celebrity guests who have more wrestling skill than Dean Ambrose. Say what you want about Reigns but he is on another level to Ambrose when it comes to in ring skill.

Its very disappointing to see a guy who hasn't even been putting in effort in his matches for the last 6 months just be given the title when guys like Kevin Owens and AJ Styles are around and they are equally as popular as Ambrose, if not more.
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