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Going three hours was suicidal. I honestly think if there is ever a Rise and Fall of WWE DVD this would be a major factor. Going 3 hrs has meant all the casuals and those who give the show a try are exhausted and give up leaving nothing but the WWE hardcore fans (who themselves are not happy). The result is that the fanbase will ever dwindle each year as hardcore fans die or get new hobbies.
Exactly! I love wrestling but I can't sit through 3 hours of it.
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People go about the casuals v the smarks/hardcore/neckbeards battle all wrong.

Its not apples and oranges. Its more Apple and apples cider/apple pie/ apple sauce. Smarks or long time fans or whatever you want to call them just expect more than WWE's nursery rhyme booking because they are experienced fans. WWE is not only predictable they are pretty awful missing practically every fundamental in the book.
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The WWE HAS the wrestling fans, they're the ones that pop their nut at NXT. The wrestling fans are in a very niche market and the only way that the WWE will become culturally relevant again is by appealing to the mainstream audience with great storylines, compelling characters and a completely fresh approach to their product
If someone really believes storylines will bring casuals, they are delusional.
Wrestling is wrestling is wrestling. Casuals will never, EVER look at WWE as something other than wrestling.

They deny to be wrestling, so they alienate the wrestling fans, and the casuals too because they expect wrestling, and get wrestling badly executed. WWE doesn't even have blood, violence or/and boobs to capture that demographic anymore.

WWE does NOT have the wrestling fans. Casuals stopped watching 10 years ago on a regular basis. And today, they have half the rating they had 10, or even 6 years ago.
Wrestling fans are departing.

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I think the point he's making is that the core fanbase will stick around no matter what while the casual audience will not stick around when things start to suck (in their opinion) -- therefore it's smart business to appeal more to the casuals


By and large I'd agree with this, however there is something to be said on delivering more of a niche product considering how segmented media has become in general. Bar rare exceptions, people don't tune in in their droves for anything these days. WWE's low ratings are actually pretty healthy compared to a lot of modern entertainment.


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If someone really believes storylines will bring casuals, they are delusional.
Wrestling is wrestling is wrestling. Casuals will never, EVER look at WWE as something other than wrestling.

They deny to be wrestling, so they alienate the wrestling fans, and the casuals too because they expect wrestling, and get wrestling badly executed.

WWE does NOT have the wrestling fans. Casuals stopped watching 10 years ago on a regular basis. And today, they have half the rating they had 10, or even 6 years ago.
Wrestling fans are departing.
The WWE are more "wrestling" now then they've been in a very long time. You have countless hours of long matches on television every week. Casuals don't give a f^ck about that, that's why they started leaving in droves by 2002-2003. They were leaving at a time when Smackdown was becoming much more wrestling-centric than it was in the AE --

All they want is to be entertained, they want to connect emotionally to what and who they see on the screen. Wrestling is actually looked down upon by the majority of Americans and it's only tolerated when the product becomes culturally cool. The biggest eras of the WWE were NOT wrestling-centric, they were storyline-centric with larger-than-life characters

There's a market for people that want to watch straight up wrestling, but it's niche. It's certainly not the main thing that draws in casuals

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If someone really believes storylines will bring casuals, they are delusional.
I don't know about that.

I think the key to getting casuals is whatever Lucha Underground is doing, and story lines are definitely part of that. As I've heard a lot of stories from wrestling fans who have had family members, girlfriends, etc. who are not wrestling fans see them watching LU and were like, "What's this?" and then stuck around to watch

Problem is LU is on a small network that a lot of people don't have in their cable package. They don't have the exposure of a massive global enterprise like WWE
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3 hours is the reason I don't watch Raw.

And I'm not gonna watch the WWE product, if I don't watch their main weekly show.

There will be loads of people like me.
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casuals, 3 hours, indy wrestlers, pg rating etc etc

man is anything not blamed

where did all the casual south park fans go. that show was drawing 7-8 million back in 1999-2000 and is now drawing 1-1.5 million despite never abandoning its tv-ma rating or going to 3 hours..fancy that

where did all the casual grunge rock fans go, where did all the casual nu-metal fans go for that matter?


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Bar rare exceptions, people don't tune in in their droves for anything these days. WWE's low ratings are actually pretty healthy compared to a lot of modern entertainment
people lament wwe "low ratings" every day online. this is thursday night and smackdown wwe b show that the iwc every freaking day tells us doesn't matter wins the night in the valued 18-49 beating out the democratic debate and destroying the two live nba games on tnt

so if a taped smackdown is drawing nearly 3 times what live nba regular season nba games then i guess wwe have more hardocore fans than the nba does

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If someone really believes storylines will bring casuals, they are delusional.
Wrestling is wrestling is wrestling. Casuals will never, EVER look at WWE as something other than wrestling.

They deny to be wrestling, so they alienate the wrestling fans, and the casuals too because they expect wrestling, and get wrestling badly executed.

WWE does NOT have the wrestling fans. Casuals stopped watching 10 years ago on a regular basis. And today, they have half the rating they had 10, or even 6 years ago.
Wrestling fans are departing.
The WWE are more "wrestling" now then they've been in a very long time. You have countless hours of long matches on television every week. Casuals don't give a f^ck about that, that's why they started leaving in droves by 2002-2003. They were leaving at a time when Smackdown was becoming much more wrestling-centric than it was in the AE --

All they want is to be entertained, they want to connect emotionally to what and who they see on the screen. Wrestling is actually looked down upon by the majority of Americans and it's only tolerated when the product becomes culturally cool. The biggest eras of the WWE were NOT wrestling-centric, they were storyline-centric with larger-than-life characters

There's a market for people that want to watch straight up wrestling, but it's niche. It's certainly not the main thing that draws in casuals


It's honestly just the core fans that care about wrestling.

Wrestling is supposed to be the backdrop for the segments/promos but WWE is trying to cater to too many different demos & the fans who really like wrestling matches have made their voice be heard.

Ratings drop when it's a wrestling show, ratings were high when it was an entertainment show. Who would've thought
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The WWE are more "wrestling" now then they've been in a very long time. You have countless hours of long matches on television every week. Casuals don't give a f^ck about that, that's why they started leaving in droves by 2002-2003. They were leaving at a time when Smackdown was becoming much more wrestling-centric than it was in the AE --

All they want is to be entertained, they want to connect emotionally to what and who they see on the screen. Wrestling is actually looked down upon by the majority of Americans and it's only tolerated when the product becomes culturally cool. The biggest eras of the WWE were NOT wrestling-centric, they were storyline-centric with larger-than-life characters

There's a market for people that want to watch straight up wrestling, but it's niche. It's certainly not the main thing that draws in casuals
People left when Austin left, people left when Rock left, people left when the invasion was botched, and again when the Product was toned down.

But we don't need to look at numbers from 15 years ago. Russo in this podcast states fans last week tuned in because of Rock and (lol) Triple H. That is bullshit. 2012 WWE had significantly more viewers, and WWE wasn't more popular with casuals than they are now. We are at a point now where WRESTLING fans that USED to watch tune into a Raw when there is something that might be interesting. Like Post-PPV. And then they disappear again. So, First and foremost, we need to bring the wrestling fans back. Go back to high 3.X ratings. THEN worry about casuals.

Wrestling fans tune out because WWE is BAD WRESTLING. And storylines are part of that. But no storyline will bring casuals back, that's a myth. And don't underestimate curiosity. WWE's bad public image because of its edgy content drew more eyes on the product as well.

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