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post #21 of 155 (permalink) Old 02-05-2016, 09:38 PM
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Re: Vince Russo - Where are the casual fans?

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It was bound to happen when they decided to put the title on a joke like bryan on wrestlemania of all times who couldn't keep it for a month due to injury and the terrible thing is that he had to vacate the title while going out without putting anyone over in the process....same with another one of his unreliable roh peers rollins. It badly hurt the credibility of the company and business as a whole. The transient effect of waves it produced is still not dying off, bigoted smarks are getting full of themselves with every coming week and actually starting to dictate their terms on the leftover casual audience, telling them who to like or not like.

The casual audience who grew up watching attitude era have lost all interest in the current pg product and most have abandoned it and moved on. All that left now are some millennials who're oblivious to attitude era. They're mostly infatuated with fapenense culture and would devour any shit thrown at them from njpw or other indy feds. For them anybody enjoying wwe product is a sheep whereas liking any other indy fed is somewhat "kawaii" basically a new hipster trend and it makes them look like 'cool' kids. They mostly feed off of dirt sheets while belittling the opinion of others. They think they know more about wrestling than anybody on this planet and whoever they like from indies is the absolute "best rasslor in the world" without any flaws. They go around internet overrating and hyping the shit out of their favorites and when these mediocre indy talents fail miserably on wwe main roster then its all vince's & creative's fault or wwe holding them back...lol

Most of young fans coming in have no choice but to ride the bandwagon and become pseudo-smarks.

wwe are pushing themselves in the corner for having to believe that this is the new demographic they have to cater to. Unfortunately that's why we will be seeing more of these no talent charisma vaccums like aj styles in main events until the time comes when people finally wake up and see through this smarky bullshit.
I couldn't have said it any better. The WWF/WWE title was devalued when people like Rey and Byran won it.
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Re: Vince Russo - Where are the casual fans?

Agree with everything he said. Exact same thoughts.


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Re: Vince Russo - Where are the casual fans?

The idiots are out in force here.

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Here's a thought. Put on an entertaining show. Highlight your Indie darlings by putting them in competitive matches. Highlight your most charismatic workers by giving them the extended promo time. Engage the audience by telling cohesive stories that draw people in, rather than turn them away.

WWE isn't struggling because they're attempting to appeal to wrestling fans, they're struggling because they're not doing it well. If they can come up with engaging programming on a week to week basis, then the people will tune in, hardcore and casual alike.

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It was bound to happen when they decided to put the title on a joke like bryan on wrestlemania of all times who couldn't keep it for a month due to injury and the terrible thing is that he had to vacate the title while going out without putting anyone over in the process....same with another one of his unreliable roh peers rollins. It badly hurt the credibility of the company and business as a whole. The transient effect of waves it produced is still not dying off, bigoted smarks are getting full of themselves with every coming week and actually starting to dictate their terms on the leftover casual audience, telling them who to like or not like.

The casual audience who grew up watching attitude era have lost all interest in the current pg product and most have abandoned it and moved on. All that left now are some millennials who're oblivious to attitude era. They're mostly infatuated with fapenense culture and would devour any shit thrown at them from njpw or other indy feds. For them anybody enjoying wwe product is a sheep whereas liking any other indy fed is somewhat "kawaii" basically a new hipster trend and it makes them look like 'cool' kids. They mostly feed off of dirt sheets while belittling the opinion of others. They think they know more about wrestling than anybody on this planet and whoever they like from indies is the absolute "best rasslor in the world" without any flaws. They go around internet overrating and hyping the shit out of their favorites and when these mediocre indy talents fail miserably on wwe main roster then its all vince's & creative's fault or wwe holding them back...lol

Most of young fans coming in have no choice but to ride the bandwagon and become pseudo-smarks.

wwe are pushing themselves in the corner for having to believe that this is the new demographic they have to cater to. Unfortunately that's why we will be seeing more of these no talent charisma vaccums like aj styles in main events until the time comes when people finally wake up and see through this smarky bullshit.
Oh what the hell. I'm bored, so I'll tear apart this stupid post

You honestly don't even need to read past the first sentence of this post. Conveniently ignores that the "joke" Bryan was more over than ANYONE since the Attitude Era. Even fucking Cena could not get everyone to universally cheer for him like Bryan, who had casuals AND hardcore fans behind him. Boy, imagine how much more money WWE could be making if they could consistently win over both of those crowds.

He also conveniently ignores that the huge drop off in WWE fans actually happened BEFORE all the guys he bashes were getting pushed in WWE

Him using the term "millenials" outs him as some mark who has drank Vince McMahon's kool aid. As we all heard the interview where Vince threw that word out there.

Fapanese culture isn't even a thing, at least show some semblance of knowing what you're talking about by using a word like weaaboo or otaku for fuck's sake

He tries to call everyone a hipster when the fact that most people shit on WWE's product today ironically makes HIM the hipster.

Talks about "bigot" smarks as he writes a whole post bashing all indie talent and the people who support them.

Apparently thinks all indie feds have something to do with Japanese culture, then shows his foolishness by mentioning NJPW, which isn't an indie fed

Do I need to continue? I feel like I've ripped him enough of a new one already.
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... I'd argue the WWE has chased off the hardcore fan far more than it chased off any casual.
I would agree if you said "annoyed" or something like that instead of chases off. The hardcore fans still watch because they have for so long and have seen the ups and downs. The same way hardcore fans of a sports team will watch almost always while the casual fans only watch when the team is really good.

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They're being smart and watching better programs than this trash.



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So he essentially wants True Detective with wrestling matches? And wasn't The Rock pretty much just a "cocky, arrogant wrestler"? I feel the problem is less to do with characters and more their constant need to take away investment from everyone but one or two people.

Granted there is always a place for "characters" if presented properly, but there's nothing wrong with presenting wrestlers, it's just they tend to do so as "good guy" and "bad guy", but if you look at most singles sports athletes they often split crowds. Some people love Floyd Mayweather, some people hate him. Same with Conor McGregor. Ronda Rousey. At the end of the day the pay off will be a wrestling match, I want invest in if they win or lose, I want a back and forth match that comes down to the wire, just like I do for sports, it's just it's 100% possible with wrestling because it's scripted.

Everyone should have there own identity, and that'll come as long as they don't always try to have to roster consisting of only 6' 6", 280 lbs jacked wrestlers in speedos. Variety, whether it's appearance, size, race, outfit is always good. I've become bigger fans of certain wrestlers just by listening to them on a podcast or by watching them on a show on the WWE network.

I don't know about everyone else, but if I wanted just an amazing story only I'd go watch the plethora of programming on HBO or Netflix. Wrestling offers a rare opportunity to give up all the excitement of a scripted entertainment and a live sporting event at it's very core. It's the reason I tend to not give up on the product even when I don't enjoy it, because wrestling at it's best in fucking exciting.

Wrestling is an opportunity to present to best parts of sports in a scripted format that should allow for the ultimate highs/lows that come with being sports fans.

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Vince Russo - When will I get a paycheck again?
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Did he mention how he personally ran off millions of wrestling fans with his shitty ideas?
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Russo should be able to answer this easily since he helped drive a huge number of fans away as he killed WCW.
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