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Re: "Its the fault of WWE's booking" - IWC's blame deflecting tactic

Op it's right funny how since Seth starting to kill the ratings and bore us with his awful mic skills the ''wwe's booking'' excuse as been abused so much by all of his fucking fangirls.

The day that ''Cross Fit Jesus'' bitch drop the belt ratings are going to increase and WWE gonna be watchable again (I only you tube RAW to watch Dudleys and Shield vs Wyatts 2.0) and you know the best part, the booking gonna still be awful like it as been since years.

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I don't disagree too much with the OP here. Seth does have a major deficiency when it comes to projecting himself like a superstar, but similarly, there is blame on WWE for not promoting Seth like the centrepiece of the company (that statue should have been on the entrance ramp on every TV show for two months before it got broken), being half-hearted on the Authority interplay with the turns back and forth of Kane and HHH, etc. Nothing wrong with a good chickenshit heel, but the booking weakness isn't in not having Seth beat everyone clean, because he shouldn't, it's in how he's promoted. Instead of him being the dominant star of the show, even as a chickenshit a la HHH in 2000, he's still subservient and cast in the same way he was this time last year, when winning the title was supposed to elevate him.

As for the Divas, I think most would agree that the booking has been poor, but that the women themselves have done this whole deal no favours. No doubt NXT's protective booking (only putting women in long matches with Sasha, doing video packages with soundbites to hide that none of them can talk well, hiding a lot of negatives) was a benefit they don't have now, and part of the irony of the "Revolution" is that they are being treated like the guys, who are all 50/50 booked and have to do scripted promos too, and by that standard, they don't fare well by comparison.

As for Cesaro, I've thought for years that as good as he is, he's not a money player - he doesn't sell particularly well in such a way that it draws you in emotionally, he wows you by being an incredible athlete. Nothing wrong with that, but you need more, and Summerslam against Owens really exposed that the emotion connection isn't there with Cesaro. That match was put together and placed where it was because they believed the smart-mark crowd would be all over him, but the fact is they liked Owens more and you could tell.


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Even though the 80s had gimmicks, the ones they had in the early to mid 90s were atrocious. Upper management did a piss poor job of shaking things up despite having amazing talent like Bret, Shawn, Owen, Diesel, Ramon, and Taker.
It's very clear that any business period where Vince doesn't have golden opportunities served to him on a gleaming silver platter, he fucks up and he fucks up completely. The business boomed in the mid-late 80s on account of talents picked and built up by Vince Sr. Then he was on his own in the early-mid 90s; what did he do? Squander some of the greatest talent of the era and lose lots of money to his competition. The late 90s come around, desperation forces him to actually listen to his crowds, with all of the top talent (much of which his promotion had previously mishandled) poached from promotions that clearly had an idea of who to sign and how to book. (I'm not saying ECW was god's gift, but I doubt Austin or Mick Foley or a lot of other ECW vets would have gotten the recognition and pushes they deserved had they just languished under crappy WWF booking for years.)

Now that era's over and Vince is left to his own devices and he's again squandering tons of talent with awful ideas and a clueless corporate 'creative' team. And with no actual competition to do his work for him it likely isn't going to change any time soon.
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And it's mostly all about booking, Big Ryck (Ezekiel Jackson) in Lucha Underground is a perfect example.
I'd argue Big Ryck is more of an example some hardcore fans are more willing to give non WWE stuff a chance. When he was with the WWE they tried giving him a midcard push even gave him the IC title. Fans just rejected him.

Big Ryck is still just a big guy but now with a patch. No major changes just left WWE which is all it takes for some. You can say his LU story is compeling but I'd say a respectful BS.
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I'm not sure how anyone can say its anything but the booking when the story lines aren't presented in a logical fashion half of the time. Guys get over and then have their momentum undercut by questionable booking decisions. Wyatt, Ambrose, Roman, Cesaro and Owens have all been red hot over the past few years and have seen a major cool down due to management's refusal to roll with what works. They are having a hard time keeping anyone feeling important on a month to month basis.

I think as time has passed, people think that Austin and Rock got big on mic skills alone. They certainly helped, especially in Rock's case, but if you let Austin talk his trash without raising a bunch of hell in the process, that character doesn't have nearly the same level of success. Presentation is important, not just screen time, in determining how the audience perceives a character. As someone mentioned before, if it didn't, Rock and Austin would have been superstars as the Ringmaster and Rocky Mavia. They weren't.

Its interesting, I think a large part of the problem is how divided the fan base is in preferences. Some seem to prefer talkers, others ring work. Its very rare that you'll get a superstar that's able to do both at their peak. Ironically, I think Hunter comes closest to being the full package. His main event character, who many derided for being devoid of charisma, was a far cry from his mid card character that was extremely charismatic act. Another example of presentation affecting perception.

In order to create another truly transcendent performer, fans would have to almost uniformly stick to the kayfabe script and chant for the heels and faces WWE present. Problem is, no matter who they back, even if its a fan favorite, the crowd will eventually turn on them too. The way to being a hot face these days is to make people feel like management is holding you back. Your slow heel turn begins in many fans eyes the moment you reach a certain level of success.

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Basically, when it's someone you don't like, the performer is at fault, and when it's someone you do like, the booking is, hypocrisy 101. There is no objectivity in charisma. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

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The day that ''Cross Fit Jesus'' bitch drop the belt ratings are going to increase and WWE gonna be watchable again
Keeping that quote warm, making you look like an idiot seems a delightful prospect. We'll see when it happens, but I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were you.
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Basically, when it's someone you don't like, the performer is at fault, and when it's someone you do like, the booking is, hypocrisy 101. There is no objectivity in charisma. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

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Keeping that quote warm, making you look like an idiot seems a delightful prospect. We'll see when it happens, but I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were you.
Unlike you I'm not gonna say you are an idiot when my point gets proved, but unfortunately.. I really doubt Seth gonna drop it this year.

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Re: "Its the fault of WWE's booking" - IWC's blame deflecting tactic

In Rollins' case, I blame it aboooooout 50/50 on creative and on the performer. They've made his heel character redundant and boring and instead of slightly reeling him back and letting us breath without...

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...that popping up on the screen every five fucking minutes to cut a reheated, generic, tripe filled, sleep inducing, monotonous, overly rehearsed 20 minute promo and shoving him in as many pointless backstage segments as possible, we're treated to "Monday Night Rollins", a show where someone without the innate ability to cut an interesting promo gets the most mic time. Oh and like mentioned before in numerous threads by myself, he's not a main event mic worker. AT ALL. Scripting can suck all it wants but not even the greatest ever had the best material all the time, they just knew how to deliver what they got the best. Even if I got slightly tired of all of Heyman's Streak promos, the redundant nature of the material didn't stop him from cutting promo of the night every time he showed up.

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It usually is a combination of both. But i'd lean slightly more towards talent. After a certain amount of time in the business you should know how to make meh creative decent. Or at least bew illing to get involved with developing your character.

For instance the bad scripted promo's why aren't more people taking the Punk route and saying fuck that script I know how to talk. I'll say this or taking Vince your own wrote out feud

Why aren't more people taking the HHH route of sitting in on creative selling themselves and pitching ideas.

I could be wrong but I think the main problem is it seems like few talent go the extra mile and go to Creative or Vince with an idea. I know the New Day did and the Shield used to hopefully more take thatr oute.
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