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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-09-2019, 08:36 PM
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WB has a huge catalog that spans decades. Netflix has a catalog of questionable value that isn't even a decade old. Part of why people get Netflix is because of content they (netflix) don't own. They pay others to be able to stream it. Those others are calling in their content aka WB and Disney.

You do know that Netflix spends billions per year and loses money every year right?

If WB was just CBS then yeah sure. But WB has a catalog that rivals Disney's.
Yes, the way it was explained when I was watching one of those business news channels is Netflix is borrowing billions of dollars to grow their catalog and despite their massive profits, are content with only paying the interest for now.

I can definitely see the potential for that bubble to burst but their stocks are trading at $377 a share (up from $336 in January) and increasing every day, they must've told the shareholders something to keep that confidence especially since they aren't paying a dividend. I do see where you're coming from though, their growth has stalled in the US and they need 50M new users to offset every $10B in loans they take out.

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Yes, the way it was explained when I was watching one of those business news channels is Netflix is borrowing billions of dollars to grow their catalog and despite their massive profits, are content with only paying the interest for now.

I can definitely see the potential for that bubble to burst but their stocks are trading at $377 a share (up from $336 in January) and increasing every day, they must've told the shareholders something to keep that confidence especially since they aren't paying a dividend. I do see where you're coming from though, their growth has stalled in the US and they need 50M new users to offset every $10B in loans they take out.
Netflix does a great job marketing. It's probably their greatest strength. It's one of the better marketing schemes of all time really. If they're going to survive then it'll be mostly because of that.

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Re: HBO Max – WarnerMedia’s New Streaming Service

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The streaming services are best served (oh!) with attaining people's subscriptions and convincing said subscribers that their content is persistently worthwhile, the way many of the previous generation became complacent with their cable. This competition may be a positive in that regard, but it is also true that an over-saturation could help lead to the continued excessive inflating of this Falstaffian bubble.

MrMr is right about Netflix's marketing, which is tremendous.



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I actually take back what I said about this being competition. It's more like mini monopolies and the impression of competition because rate setting is not based on anything except what the capitalist thinks the customer *should* pay not what the product is worth. It's mini monopolies.

If you're paying attention, you'll see that on streaming services every single movie, TV episode is individually priced at exactly the same rate (usually 2.99 per episode and 3.99 per movie) irrespective of production budget. Subscription services have no price rationale either. Netflix has increased its price from 7.99 to 15 while reducing the amount of content. A lot of content that Netflix includes in its library and charging for is available on several free to watch services.

There is no supply/demand economics at play here at all. It's all arbitrary and to me, that's inherently anti-consumer.
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The way the competition with these companies will be interesting. Netflix has the lead by tens of millions in terms of subscribers. But Netflix got all of those subscribers using the content of all of these companies that are now branching off to do their own thing.

Netflix will end up being the company that has a lot of stuff that you don't know about. Usually when I watch something on Netflix I didn't know about it beforehand and watch it because it was recommended to me and looked interesting. All of these other companies are going to draw you in with the names that you know.

I'm curious how it turns out. My money is (literally) on Disney. I think they probably end up with the best package deal for everything (Hulu, Disney+, and ESPN+). Also they have that whole theme park business that makes them billions of dollars every year to fund things.

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At the end of the day I think @MrMister; is right in this ultimately leading to WB vs Disney. Their library and the brands they have under their umbrella not only rival Disney in terms of content but also popularity. What's funny is each have their own edge against each other in that WB has a more teen/adult aimed market whereas Disney has the family/kid/pre-teen market. Things are going to get very interesting in the stream game within the next five years. While Netflix may be particularly fucked I wouldn't count Amazon out just yet. Unlike Netflix, they made Amazon Studios made it a point to have original content out of the gate & while it wasn't great at the start it's evolved into award winning level shit. So I think Amazon will be ok based on exclusives, but Netflix can't thrive on exclusives because most of the super popular original content came from outside sources. Maybe Netflix's legit in-house original content does better for them than I think, that I honestly don't know, but when you consider how much loss Netflix has had vs what they make I don't see how they can stay afloat taking on Disney as well as WB.
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At the end of the day I think @MrMister; is right in this ultimately leading to WB vs Disney. Their library and the brands they have under their umbrella not only rival Disney in terms of content but also popularity. What's funny is each have their own edge against each other in that WB has a more teen/adult aimed market whereas Disney has the family/kid/pre-teen market. Things are going to get very interesting in the stream game within the next five years. While Netflix may be particularly fucked I wouldn't count Amazon out just yet. Unlike Netflix, they made Amazon Studios made it a point to have original content out of the gate & while it wasn't great at the start it's evolved into award winning level shit. So I think Amazon will be ok based on exclusives, but Netflix can't thrive on exclusives because most of the super popular original content came from outside sources. Maybe Netflix's legit in-house original content does better for them than I think, that I honestly don't know, but when you consider how much loss Netflix has had vs what they make I don't see how they can stay afloat taking on Disney as well as WB.
Amazon Prime will remain its own entity because they have a constant source of funding even from people who aren't watching their stuff at all (and have probably never even browsed their library) unless they foolishly decide to charge extra for Prime Video. This is probably the best business model out of all of streaming services right now imo and most sustainable. Amazon has this other unique service where you can add-on different channels to your prime. So there's a pretty big possibility that they may eventually win the race over everyone. I would like to have all my subscriptions in one place, if I ever decided to go that route. Hey, it might even be beneficial for Netflix and Amazon to team up.

I have a very bad feeling that a lot of these companies will stop competing and create a cartel like situation where you can only get bundles like you do with Cable. HBO Max sounds like a bundling attempt to me already.
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There's too many streaming services!!

You'll end up shelling out 100+ bucks a month just to watch TV. It's idiotic.

The prices aren't all that great either, they just keep raising the prices.
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There's too many streaming services!!

You'll end up shelling out 100+ bucks a month just to watch TV. It's idiotic.

The prices aren't all that great either, they just keep raising the prices.
More expensive now than cable if you want to watch everything available (including all originals) legally Let's see:

Netflix: 8 (if you don't get their HD which is just stupid)
Hulu: 6
Amazon: 9
CBS: 6
HBO Now: 15

I'm sure I've missed a few. Of course, if you're a gamer, then you have all the game-streaming services popping up as well. Most games are adopting a model of pay-to-play and eventually will move away from selling you actual copies of games and you just "rent" them.

None of these include Sports, News etc. So most people *have* to get at least basic Cable for sports. Which is usually 25-50 bucks.

We're already at around 69-70 bucks a month. And this doesn't include the cost of internet itself (usually about $60-100 bucks) and internet bandwidth for a lot of people who have to literally pick and choose how much they can stream (not everyone has unlimited plans).

It's getting to that tricky area where they want you to have all three: Cable, Streaming and the Internet and on top of that, they still have advertising revenue from traditional TV as well as expensive business contracts.

It's not gonna get any better, only worse imo. I think give or take a couple of years, the streaming landscape will be very different to what it is now - and a lot more people will start streaming illegally again.

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Odd branding IMO.

Who really associates HBO with Friends, DC Comics, TNT and all that other shit?
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