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Re: Halle Bailey lands the lead role in live adaptation of The Little Mermaid.

Next time around Disney should cast Captain America as being a black soldier from the 40s that over came racial profiling to be an American hero. Then recast Black Panther as White Panther let it take place is South Africa with an all white cast.......Then we can sit back and watch everyone bitch about the same thing.
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Next time around Disney should cast Captain America as being a black soldier from the 40s that over came racial profiling to be an American hero. Then recast Black Panther as White Panther let it take place is South Africa with an all white cast.......Then we can sit back and watch everyone bitch about the same thing.
Why do people always bring up this same played out argument... race bending one white character in an industry that is 90% white isnt harmful. Changing Captain America to a black guy in the 1940s and changing the whole cast of Black Panther to white folks isnt the same but Im sure someone like you will argue that itís exactly the same thing
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Or it could be if something is changed too much it's no longer nostalgia?

Also pretty sure white people love Tyler Perry, those Madea movies seemed to be aimed at them, well everyone really.

The biggest issue is entertainment is the "This is ours" mentality, why would people who aren't black go see a movie that seems to be aimed at only black people?

How many latinos do you see lining up to see black films? Outside of black music/comedy which most people have no problem enjoying, people question seeing black films.

So why is that? Black comedians sell out, they're popular with whites and everyone else. Black music is a hit with whites, blacks in sports are hits, nobody cares that the majority of NBA players are black, whites pay loads of money to go see them play. So why does this seem to only really effect black movies?
Well black athletes are generally better at murican football and basketball than whites. Lots of reasons for this that are far beyond the scope of this thread. Also nostalgia is built into the teams. They have long rich histories of former glory and agonizing defeats. Fans are attached to teams because of nostalgia.

This is why Hollywood does so many remakes etc. They feel they have to exploit nostalgia. It's a good bet really and makes sense because they're all scared cowards.


Also btw Diana Ross once played DOROTHY, a very white midwestern girl. There aren't many more iconic parts in murican culture than Dorothy. So that wasn't a big deal and this isn't a big deal. Actually it was big deal I'm lying. It was a positive big deal.

Oh yeah I'm also team "i read this as HALLE BERRY at first"...


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Why do people always bring up this same played out argument... race bending one white character in an industry that is 90% white isnt harmful. Changing Captain America to a black guy in the 1940s and changing the whole cast of Black Panther to white folks isnt the same but Im sure someone like you will argue that itís exactly the same thing

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Next time around Disney should cast Captain America as being a black soldier from the 40s that over came racial profiling to be an American hero.
Funny you mention that, because that pretty much already happened in the comics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley

That being said, I'd be down to see Bradley's Captain America appear in the MCU via an alternate universe if the MCU ever decides to go multiversal, such as having him come a from a universe where he, not Falcon, succeeds Steve for the mantle of Captain America.
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Well black athletes are generally better at murican football and basketball than whites. Lots of reasons for this that are far beyond the scope of this thread. Also nostalgia is built into the teams. They have long rich histories of former glory and agonizing defeats. Fans are attached to teams because of nostalgia.

This is why Hollywood does so many remakes etc. They feel they have to exploit nostalgia. It's a good bet really and makes sense because they're all scared cowards.


Also btw Diana Ross once played DOROTHY, a very white midwestern girl. There aren't many more iconic parts in murican culture than Dorothy. So that wasn't a big deal and this isn't a big deal. Actually it was big deal I'm lying. It was a positive big deal.

Oh yeah I'm also team "i read this as HALLE BERRY at first"...
Sure, but in sports the viewership for some is growing and that goes beyond nostalgia. Nobody seems to have an issue with most sports being headlined by black athletes. The ones that are losing viewers is because of league fuckery and not the color of it's players.

The post was implying nobody wants to support black entertainment when that really isn't the case. Comedy/music are massive draws, nobody cares that blacks are top tier in these areas.

The whole point of nostalgia is to get something as close to as you remember. Changing the cast some isn't going to detour most people but too much will and it won't be because of "muh white genocide" but because once something is changed too much, it's not longer nostalgic. This applies to everything.

The Hollywood issue is them not even trying to make new characters or stories, casting black people as white characters doesn't fix the issue either. It also opens another can of worms, why are the recasts 90% of the time black and not asian, latino, mid eastern, indian, native american etc? Don't they deserve representation too?

One of the biggest games next year Cyberpunk 2077 is based off a game a black man created, nobody cares he's black. The game is going to be massive. The reason why black movies may do poorly isn't because of the black cast but because it's marketed solely for blacks. Otherwise the other parts of black entertainment wouldn't be flourishing.

Also I don't care about this casting, my question was how can this be considered excellent casting when the person cast hasn't done films? It could be good but we don't know since we have nothing to weigh it against. Also that the story of Disney Ariel will have some hilarious eyebrow raising if it's kept faithful to the animated film. So it maybe needed to be changed which may kill the nostalgia appeal.


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On top of that, you run the risk of white people feeling that the character is not "for them", it's a problem black authors and filmmakers have been dealing with for decades, ask John Singleton or Tyler Perry how much support they get from white people.
Tyler Perry doesn't get much support from white people because his product is usually shit and very uncomfortable for people in general to watch. A lot of his characters are very one note, stereotypical and offer almost no actual insight on the culture of African American's except for what we already know. He doesn't add anything new to the table. Why should white people support him? They know exactly what he's doing. And numerous people have called him out for it. Hell even Spike Lee called him out for it. They even did a parody of this exact issue in South Park where Token was the only person laughing at Perry's jokes and he suddenly realized halfway through that he fell for obvious convoluted bullshit and he couldn't get out of it. It's also an issue Black Panther faced with white audiences, who were being fed very obvious "I'm black and I'm proud" stuff through out the film and quickly got sick of it.

Compare that with movies like Spiderverse where the main character, Miles, got a lot of love across the board despite being black, because he's portrayed as a much more natural person, going through situations that make sense for someone of his upbringing and culture but him being black doesn't get slammed in your face over and over again. That isn't the focus of the movie.

And people would feel the same way about any movie that does this with any of its characters and/or stories, whether they are white, black or any other race.
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The Hollywood issue is them not even trying to make new characters or stories, casting black people as white characters doesn't fix the issue either. It also opens another can of worms, why are the recasts 90% of the time black and not asian, latino, mid eastern, indian, native american etc? Don't they deserve representation too?
They do have representation.

- Asia has a whole continent that thrives and exports their media all over the world. Films by Jackie Chan, Jet Li and Chow Yun Fat are huge, Anime is huge, martial arts is huge. You even have media coming from S. Korea (animation, Gangnam Style etc.) and Indonesia (The Raid).
- Latinos have a rich history of popular entertainers that thrive in their communities and abroad.
- Mid-Eastern, you got me there.
- India (still Asia ) has Bollywood and it thrives.
- Native Americans.....are all dead.

The point I'm trying to make clear is that black people don't have a rich economic history to fall back on. We're poor here AND abroad. Not true for most other groups. Latinos, Asians and Indians don't need to succeed in America, they can and do succeed at home/abroad. Historically speaking, the darker you are, the worse you were treated. And that's still true to this day with colorism. I don't want to get into the reparations game but giving black people the nod is only a positive in situations like this.
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Ohh boy *rubs hands maliciously* let the raging debate ensues


If you know who Halle Bailey is you know why there's a big debate going on on social media.

If not let me fill you in a little..

Halle Bailey is a black actress and R&B singer who is cast to play Ariel in the upcoming live The Little Mermaid, who as we all know, Ariel is not black in the animation.

The back and forth on Twitter has been quite entertaining.

Some have gone on so far as to say this movie will be trash just because a diffrent race is cast from what Ariel was in the animation.

Needless to say a large amount of people are not happy with this choice.

Me I dont mind much as long as the acting and movie is good.

Hey now they now how Asians feel when non Asians take the lead role in live versions of anime shows

And remember its Halle Bailey not Halle Berry as I and it turns out a lot of others have made that same mistake.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1146504543456227328

If she can sing the part, then that is al that matters. Her race is irrelevant.
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If she can sing the part, then that is al that matters. Her race is irrelevant.

I really dont care myself. Just saw on twitter people were making a big fuss about it. Only thing to really care about is the movie coming out good.

I thought Michael B Jordan did a good job playing Johnny Storm in the Fantastic Four reboot.
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