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Re: Halle Bailey lands the lead role in live adaptation of The Little Mermaid.

I wish people would put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do in over analyzing a kid’s movie. As i said before.. its not that deep people
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I wish people would put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do in over analyzing a kidís movie. As i said before.. its not that deep people
Over analyzing? That's exactly what the movie is about!

The song "Under the Sea" is to convince Ariel to stay because the sea is actually wonderful, she doesn't need to leave. Yet she does.

"Part of your world", it's her song obsessing over a man she's never talked to and about her so desperate to be with him, in his world. She wants to be human.

Her entire treasure trove is her collecting random human junk that she's obsessed over.

She makes a deal with a known witch in an unfair bargain to try and seduce the Prince to get her wish to leave the ocean behind.

Her father has to sacrifice himself in order to protect her because he cannot break the contract. This leads to the sea witch almost gaining control of the world.

After all the sacrifice she still longs to be human, she's only happy when her father makes her so.

This isn't over analyzing, it's the plot of the movie.

It's also no simple children's tale, it's based on a Hans Christian Anderson story and those were never just simple happy go lucky stories. Disney made it have a happy ending, the 1975 film and original story, Ariel dies in it. It's a sad story, not a happy one.

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The only issue I have with race swapping characters that if it were the reversal then all hell would break loose. It's the double standards that's infuriating.

That being said, I hate the Little Mermaid so I was not going to see this anyway.
It's not a double standard when 98% of acting roles go to white people, to take one of the handful of minority characters and cast a white person in it only serves to further marginalize people of color. I know nuance is hard when it comes to racial issues but this one is pretty obvious.

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Re: Halle Bailey lands the lead role in live adaptation of The Little Mermaid.

I see a lot of yours are cant Disney do something original instend of a stream of remakes.

My wrestling friends..may I strongly,enormously,massively, recommend encouraging you check out Alita: Battle Angel.

It was so FUCKING good! I wouldnt say im obsessed but after the movie I went out and bought a shirt and the complete manga series boxset...and I havent read mangacin over a decade!

Now yes this is another example of a non asian getting the lead role of a Japanase manga/OVA. But this was casting choice done right as it was a Latina Rosa Salazar that plays Alita and having now went through some of the material she captures Alita to a T. I don't think I ever wanted a sequel to a movie as badly as this one.

On topic with The Little Mermaid. Has anyone heard of the endings of the oringal story? I saw this a long time ago so my memory is a little vague but I remember there were 3 different ending. I dont remember the other 2 but 1 I do recall is Ariel commits suicide. Its depressing AF
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Over analyzing? That's exactly what the movie is about!

The song "Under the Sea" is to convince Ariel to stay because the sea is actually wonderful, she doesn't need to leave. Yet she does.

"Part of your world", it's her song obsessing over a man she's never talked to and about her so desperate to be with him, in his world. She wants to be human.

Her entire treasure trove is her collecting random human junk that she's obsessed over.

She makes a deal with a known witch in an unfair bargain to try and seduce the Prince to get her wish to leave the ocean behind.

Her father has to sacrifice himself in order to protect her because he cannot break the contract. This leads to the sea witch almost gaining control of the world.

After all the sacrifice she still longs to be human, she's only happy when her father makes her so.

This isn't over analyzing, it's the plot of the movie.

It's also no simple children's tale, it's based on a Hans Christian Anderson story and those were never just simple happy go lucky stories. Disney made it have a happy ending, the 1975 film and original story, Ariel dies in it. It's a sad story, not a happy one.
This is disney weíre talking about here... while those themes do exist, it still isnt that deep. Some things dont require more than a passing thought. Its just a dumb kidís movie that the majority of people will still see despite complaining
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Over analyzing? That's exactly what the movie is about!

The song "Under the Sea" is to convince Ariel to stay because the sea is actually wonderful, she doesn't need to leave. Yet she does.

"Part of your world", it's her song obsessing over a man she's never talked to and about her so desperate to be with him, in his world. She wants to be human.

Her entire treasure trove is her collecting random human junk that she's obsessed over.

She makes a deal with a known witch in an unfair bargain to try and seduce the Prince to get her wish to leave the ocean behind.

Her father has to sacrifice himself in order to protect her because he cannot break the contract. This leads to the sea witch almost gaining control of the world.

After all the sacrifice she still longs to be human, she's only happy when her father makes her so.

This isn't over analyzing, it's the plot of the movie.

It's also no simple children's tale, it's based on a Hans Christian Anderson story and those were never just simple happy go lucky stories. Disney made it have a happy ending, the 1975 film and original story, Ariel dies in it. It's a sad story, not a happy one.

You know what.. When I was kid all I cared about was the songs and the video not really focusing on the story.

As I got older and watching it I though... Aerial is a bitch lol. She's the worse of the princesses.
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This is disney we’re talking about here... while those themes do exist, it still isnt that deep. Some things dont require more than a passing thought. Its just a dumb kid’s movie that the majority of people will still see despite complaining
Please. Move the goal posts, you're talking a Veteran Princess movie watcher, chief.

Everything I listed is in the movie, I didn't add anything. Seriously go watch the film, I seen it countless times as a child. Both the original story, the anime and the Disney film share a lot in common with the theme of Ariel being naive and wanting to leave her home, people to be with a man and to be human.

There's no ifs, ands or buts about it.

The story isn't shallow, Ariel is. There's a reason why Ariel despite being a gorgeously designed character isn't a top tier Princess. That's because her character while innocent and naive is devoid of any real substance except her undying desire to love this man and to be human. That's the whole meat of the story.

You can try to spin it all you want but the animation in several forms exists, along with the actual story. It's all there. Then again you were the person who was saying "nobody wants minority characters in a movie" when literally nobody was saying this. Now that the story will make the casting laughable unintentionally you're playing it off as a "children's movie, no need to look at the story or follow it here folks!".



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You know what.. When I was kid all I cared about was the songs and the video not really focusing on the story.

As I got older and watching it I though... Aerial is a bitch lol. She's the worse of the princesses.
This story was meant to have a moral lesson to it, it's why Ariel comes off so badly because they had to change key elements of it. Kids won't really notice the story but anyone over the age of 12 understands it and it's why she's not top tier. Adults are going to notice and it's going to be funny.


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That is exactly what it is. I don't see how it's pretentious at all that we demand our corporatists to be better and give us something original instead of piggy backing off the popularity of existing white characters.

It's literally saying that the original black character won't make us money unless it's already popular and therefore bankable. It goes back to this era when Black dolls were sold at cheaper prices than white dolls.

If you hold that the profit motive is the primary concern of the capitalist then him black facing a white character pretty much categorically says that they need an already popular property to have that cash cow. They're not taking any chances. It's safe. And then on top of that they've got discord amongst the masses that refuse to point a finger at them while fighting each other.

They are in a win-win here. Which is why I refuse to support any move with an SJW agenda since that's the only way you can hurt them.

I'm not at all opposed to any original movie. In fact I've supported almost all movies featuring an all black cast, a black lead etc that was an original movie. I've done so since the 90s.

But this post 2016 Ghostbusters era pandering and manufactured controversy gets no buys so that they can continue to focus on originality.
The problem with creating new minority characters is the fact that people don't want new characters. Hollywood is only creatively bankrupt because the unwashed masses allow it to be. People want the safety of the familiar, they want easily digestible, iconic stories and characters. If you create new characters, characters that people didn't grow up with they aren't going to form emotional attachments to those characters. On top of that, you run the risk of white people feeling that the character is not "for them", it's a problem black authors and filmmakers have been dealing with for decades, ask John Singleton or Tyler Perry how much support they get from white people. There were white people who felt like they had to ask permission to see Black Panther or Crazy Rich Asians.

As long as the white dollar is almighty the only way to get minorities on screen in major roles is to race swap the characters and let white people's familiarity with the IP and nostalgia to carry them to the theater, just don't put too many minorities because then they'll cry "white genocide".

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I will groan at some SJW bullshit when it's warranted. This isn't warranted. I hear this girl can really sing and frankly that's all that matters with this character. You gotta be able to sing. Obviously you also need to be good looking but that's a given for a lead role in mainstream film.

Also it's the Little Mermaid. I can't care less about it. At any rate this just isn't the same as Ghostbusters.

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this is 100% not true. Game of Thrones was a new thing and it was incredibly popular. You just gotta have a good newish idea. Everything is influenced by what came before it, but you need to find a way for the color palette to seem new. Every story has been told at this point.
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The problem with creating new minority characters is the fact that people don't want new characters. Hollywood is only creatively bankrupt because the unwashed masses allow it to be. People want the safety of the familiar, they want easily digestible, iconic stories and characters. If you create new characters, characters that people didn't grow up with they aren't going to form emotional attachments to those characters. On top of that, you run the risk of white people feeling that the character is not "for them", it's a problem black authors and filmmakers have been dealing with for decades, ask John Singleton or Tyler Perry how much support they get from white people. There were white people who felt like they had to ask permission to see Black Panther or Crazy Rich Asians.

As long as the white dollar is almighty the only way to get minorities on screen in major roles is to race swap the characters and let white people's familiarity with the IP and nostalgia to carry them to the theater, just don't put too many minorities because then they'll cry "white genocide".
Or it could be if something is changed too much it's no longer nostalgia?

Also pretty sure white people love Tyler Perry, those Madea movies seemed to be aimed at them, well everyone really.

The biggest issue is entertainment is the "This is ours" mentality, why would people who aren't black go see a movie that seems to be aimed at only black people?

How many latinos do you see lining up to see black films? Outside of black music/comedy which most people have no problem enjoying, people question seeing black films.

So why is that? Black comedians sell out, they're popular with whites and everyone else. Black music is a hit with whites, blacks in sports are hits, nobody cares that the majority of NBA players are black, whites pay loads of money to go see them play. So why does this seem to only really effect black movies?

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