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So far everything is hitting the mark with Zero-One. They seemed to have learned a lot from the previous years with storytelling as well as the suits. I'm seeing shades of Ex-Aid with Zero-One considering one of their main people did work on Ex-Aid and Izu's just so adorable.

Zi-O was awesome but it felt like Decade Season 2.

I feel like they still didn't explain how Tsukasa got his Neo-Decadriver when in the previous series that he appeared up until Wizard iirc he's still using his original Decadriver.

Watching Zi-O made me want to try and watch Kamen Rider once again because it was around at the end of Wizard that I was kind of fatigued from watching the series and apparently I missed out on Gaim when it was a new series but I'm on a marathon binge of it so I'll catch up soon enough.

I haven't found sources to watch the first one that was released in 1971 but I found someone subbing V3. I watched it and I felt like V3 was villan-like in his own series

The original Amazon was totally violent but sadly it was one of the shortest seasons of the series. I skipped through most of Showa until Black/Black RX in which I had two complete different memories of it considering I watched it once when I was a kid and now as an adult. They changed the names of the protagonists/antagonists here in the Philippines that's why I was so confused when I saw him again in Decade. Black/Black RX still is one of my favorites in the Showa era though technically Black RX was also part of Heisei by that time but apparently anything before Kuuga was considered Showa by their standard.

There's this time in the 90's where Kamen Rider wasn't exactly popular and they didn't have any series at that time despite Super Sentai having its yearly offerings. Shin was kind of controversial for me not because of the violence but because of nudity which was totally weird for a kid's show. ZO was my favorite in this time as he had that modern 90's hopper design and his transformation was quite unique though I didn't realize that other riders did the same thing before him. J was my least favorite as I felt like they were ripping off Ultraman at that time.

It was also at this time when they introduced Power Rangers which was an adaptation of Zyuranger. I wasn't able to watch the original so I don't really have a comparison of both. The popular ones here were Battle Fever J, Sunvulcan, Bioman, Maskman, Fiveman, Turboranger, and Jetman. I haven't really caught up with Super Sentai not until I saw Gokaiger that made me consider watching Super Sentai again. I started with Hurricaneger, I guess it was simply because of Nao Nagasawa though I stopped watching Super Sentai after Go-busters as I felt like I wasn't exactly missing out even if I missed a season or two. I did watch the parody that Toei produced which was called Akibaranger and it was totally funny af

Watching Gokaiger finally gave me closure to Yuki Gai's death in Jetman which was a never-ending debate at school back then. There was a time when Marvel and Toei had a collaboration and I've always wondered what if they continued to do so. We could have had Earth-79203 as part of the MCU or any new creations they could have built or even Earth-616. Too bad it is now considered "defunct" even though it continues to exist with Super Sentai and Kamen Rider.

For the Heisei Phase 1, Kuuga and Agito remain my top favorites in the early years. Kuuga was the introduction to multiple forms, even though Stronger and Black RX had their own multiple form gimmicks but Kuuga overkilled it. It's amazing that they kept it interesting despite having only one rider in that series from start to finish. I just wish they gave the final form some justice and not just breaking down like that after so many episodes that they teased it.

Agito's story in Zi-O kind of gives it closure considering what he wanted to do and where he wanted to go after his adventure was over. Great to see Mana-chan too all grown up even though she was in Den-O as the train assistant. Zi-O's trinity is somehow a tribute to Agito's trinity with "Believe yourself" playing in the background. Damn I feel so old.

While Agito was the beginning of multiple riders on a single show, Ryuki started the gimmicks like he used cards, Faiz had a phone and so on.

Ryuki's ending was a disappointment for me because they had two endings for it and the viewers had to actually vote which one was the end. One of them was Ryuki actually dying and Knight becoming the hero in the end. I had no idea Ryuki would be revisited in Zi-O, and had no idea of the homosexual relationship that was portrayed by some of the returning characters as it was weird and awkward that they put this out now when they could have broken some new ground had they done it in 2002.

Faiz was a good show and quite dark as well, I never looked at a flip phone the same way ever since. I never knew that his motif was a shark until that clip in Decade where they were explaining a lot of stuff

Blade was an interesting concept since they were using playing cards this time and the enemies seemed to be darker than before. I never had that closure with Blade up until Zi-O as well considering he was the NavyJoker at the final episode and when Zi-O inherited his power, he also took away that curse. It is kind of weird that Sougo didn't become the Joker when he took it away so I was thinking maybe it was purified.

I understand people getting turned off from Hibiki but in the early episodes I thought it was actually good. But it was good enough to be its own standalone series and not a Kamen Rider. It had the same violence as with Amazon but they toned it down a bit, Hibiki felt like it could have been somewhat like Garo but since the "Staff change" incident that they went out of their way to rewrite the whole thing and now it became a huge clusterfuck. Seeing Kiriya again in Zi-O was a painful reminder of their fuck up and one of those reasons as to why I won't be seeing Hibiki's original actor and even Kuuga's original actors from reprising their roles again. Unless they somehow make amends with the producer who got sacked during this "staff change" there's probably no way I'd see Shigeki Hosokawa or Joe Odagiri in any of the anniversary shows again.

Kabuto was like a throwback of sorts considering how they simplified the use of the bug motif again despite the character having some kind of God complex, his presence in the anniversary episodes is badly missed.

Kamen Rider: The First and The Next had their remakes during Kabuto's run iirc and it was a nice throwback as well as an upgraded look for Rider 1, 2 and V3.

Den-O on the other hand was their attempt at mixing comedy and action in which it became the template of how they write their succeeding rider series. If there's one sad thing about it, they totally milked it dry to the point that it's so hard to miss them anymore considering they appeared a lot of times even though the series is already over. It spawned so many movies that while it was still a big hit, I did feel like they were running out of ideas with Chou Den-O.

Kiva had this vampire theme which was awesome. I didn't like the movie for some reason maybe because the main enemy was ridiculous af. It was hard for me to suspend my disbelief at that.

Decade when it first came out, I heard so many rumblings about him that fans were complaining about how he's too OP or how he's the "destroyer of worlds". He was somehow written off as the villain of the show that a lot of people hated him for it especially when he destroyed Skyrider, Super-1 and Kabuto in less than a minute. Then again, people started appreciated him again in Zi-O because in that show, they showed how he was originally envisioned as that "Necessary Evil" that needs to exist so they basically used Zi-O to flesh out more of Decade's story and is effective in making both shows greater for it.

Kamen Rider G was a TV Special and I've always thought they could have made more episodes of it. The concept was unique even though I saw so many references to Kamen Rider Kabuto.

Double/W was unique and very timely at the time of its release. USB's were gaining so much popularity at that time and the 2-in-1 rider was a totally new concept and I loved the portrayal of their characters.

OOO's uniqueness was from the usage of coins and that ridiculous 100+ combinations that can be used to defeat the enemy and Kougami's "Happy Birthday" which became my official social media greeting card to anyone I know who has a birthday on that day.

Fourze's design was something I disliked strongly and I preferred Meteor. The enemy character designs were based from the Zodiac signs which is unique but most of the parts became so annoying that while I loved the 100+ combinations with coins for OOO, the 40 switches were quite a nuisance for me, it's just hard to explain.

Wizard's design was something I've never seen before and I digged it so much. Plenty of stuff taken from Magiranger especially with the elements and dragons but this was my cut-off.

Zi-O by itself was a good series even though the retconned so many things that they retroactively explain that each series belongs in its own world even though Decade's story was connecting all of these worlds even though we got the A.R. worlds instead.

After watching Zi-O, I started watching Build. I loved the intro song and the whole story didn't seem to be a mess not until the last few episodes but I'm glad Banjou's not dead. Still waiting out for Build New World: Grease

Ex-Aid was too colorful for me but it was OK. I am a big fan of the Dangerous Zombie, he has way too many lives. Like a living cheat code. Can't believe his figure is so expensive now.

The only thing I liked about Ghost was the opening song and his collab movie with Kamen Rider 1. They could have done better with Ghost because his episode with Zi-O was really good and I liked it more than his original series.

Currently watching Drive and will catch up to Gaim later.

I consider Amazons as a parallel universe that exists at the same time as the mainstream timeline. Some people say it's a Lost Heisei series. Totally not a kid's show and I love it.


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So far everything is hitting the mark with Zero-One. They seemed to have learned a lot from the previous years with storytelling as well as the suits. I'm seeing shades of Ex-Aid with Zero-One considering one of their main people did work on Ex-Aid and Izu's just so adorable.

Zi-O was awesome but it felt like Decade Season 2.

I feel like they still didn't explain how Tsukasa got his Neo-Decadriver when in the previous series that he appeared up until Wizard iirc he's still using his original Decadriver.

Watching Zi-O made me want to try and watch Kamen Rider once again because it was around at the end of Wizard that I was kind of fatigued from watching the series and apparently I missed out on Gaim when it was a new series but I'm on a marathon binge of it so I'll catch up soon enough.

I haven't found sources to watch the first one that was released in 1971 but I found someone subbing V3. I watched it and I felt like V3 was villan-like in his own series

The original Amazon was totally violent but sadly it was one of the shortest seasons of the series. I skipped through most of Showa until Black/Black RX in which I had two complete different memories of it considering I watched it once when I was a kid and now as an adult. They changed the names of the protagonists/antagonists here in the Philippines that's why I was so confused when I saw him again in Decade. Black/Black RX still is one of my favorites in the Showa era though technically Black RX was also part of Heisei by that time but apparently anything before Kuuga was considered Showa by their standard.

There's this time in the 90's where Kamen Rider wasn't exactly popular and they didn't have any series at that time despite Super Sentai having its yearly offerings. Shin was kind of controversial for me not because of the violence but because of nudity which was totally weird for a kid's show. ZO was my favorite in this time as he had that modern 90's hopper design and his transformation was quite unique though I didn't realize that other riders did the same thing before him. J was my least favorite as I felt like they were ripping off Ultraman at that time.

It was also at this time when they introduced Power Rangers which was an adaptation of Zyuranger. I wasn't able to watch the original so I don't really have a comparison of both. The popular ones here were Battle Fever J, Sunvulcan, Bioman, Maskman, Fiveman, Turboranger, and Jetman. I haven't really caught up with Super Sentai not until I saw Gokaiger that made me consider watching Super Sentai again. I started with Hurricaneger, I guess it was simply because of Nao Nagasawa though I stopped watching Super Sentai after Go-busters as I felt like I wasn't exactly missing out even if I missed a season or two. I did watch the parody that Toei produced which was called Akibaranger and it was totally funny af

Watching Gokaiger finally gave me closure to Yuki Gai's death in Jetman which was a never-ending debate at school back then. There was a time when Marvel and Toei had a collaboration and I've always wondered what if they continued to do so. We could have had Earth-79203 as part of the MCU or any new creations they could have built or even Earth-616. Too bad it is now considered "defunct" even though it continues to exist with Super Sentai and Kamen Rider.

For the Heisei Phase 1, Kuuga and Agito remain my top favorites in the early years. Kuuga was the introduction to multiple forms, even though Stronger and Black RX had their own multiple form gimmicks but Kuuga overkilled it. It's amazing that they kept it interesting despite having only one rider in that series from start to finish. I just wish they gave the final form some justice and not just breaking down like that after so many episodes that they teased it.

Agito's story in Zi-O kind of gives it closure considering what he wanted to do and where he wanted to go after his adventure was over. Great to see Mana-chan too all grown up even though she was in Den-O as the train assistant. Zi-O's trinity is somehow a tribute to Agito's trinity with "Believe yourself" playing in the background. Damn I feel so old.

While Agito was the beginning of multiple riders on a single show, Ryuki started the gimmicks like he used cards, Faiz had a phone and so on.

Ryuki's ending was a disappointment for me because they had two endings for it and the viewers had to actually vote which one was the end. One of them was Ryuki actually dying and Knight becoming the hero in the end. I had no idea Ryuki would be revisited in Zi-O, and had no idea of the homosexual relationship that was portrayed by some of the returning characters as it was weird and awkward that they put this out now when they could have broken some new ground had they done it in 2002.

Faiz was a good show and quite dark as well, I never looked at a flip phone the same way ever since. I never knew that his motif was a shark until that clip in Decade where they were explaining a lot of stuff

Blade was an interesting concept since they were using playing cards this time and the enemies seemed to be darker than before. I never had that closure with Blade up until Zi-O as well considering he was the NavyJoker at the final episode and when Zi-O inherited his power, he also took away that curse. It is kind of weird that Sougo didn't become the Joker when he took it away so I was thinking maybe it was purified.

I understand people getting turned off from Hibiki but in the early episodes I thought it was actually good. But it was good enough to be its own standalone series and not a Kamen Rider. It had the same violence as with Amazon but they toned it down a bit, Hibiki felt like it could have been somewhat like Garo but since the "Staff change" incident that they went out of their way to rewrite the whole thing and now it became a huge clusterfuck. Seeing Kiriya again in Zi-O was a painful reminder of their fuck up and one of those reasons as to why I won't be seeing Hibiki's original actor and even Kuuga's original actors from reprising their roles again. Unless they somehow make amends with the producer who got sacked during this "staff change" there's probably no way I'd see Shigeki Hosokawa or Joe Odagiri in any of the anniversary shows again.

Kabuto was like a throwback of sorts considering how they simplified the use of the bug motif again despite the character having some kind of God complex, his presence in the anniversary episodes is badly missed.

Kamen Rider: The First and The Next had their remakes during Kabuto's run iirc and it was a nice throwback as well as an upgraded look for Rider 1, 2 and V3.

Den-O on the other hand was their attempt at mixing comedy and action in which it became the template of how they write their succeeding rider series. If there's one sad thing about it, they totally milked it dry to the point that it's so hard to miss them anymore considering they appeared a lot of times even though the series is already over. It spawned so many movies that while it was still a big hit, I did feel like they were running out of ideas with Chou Den-O.

Kiva had this vampire theme which was awesome. I didn't like the movie for some reason maybe because the main enemy was ridiculous af. It was hard for me to suspend my disbelief at that.

Decade when it first came out, I heard so many rumblings about him that fans were complaining about how he's too OP or how he's the "destroyer of worlds". He was somehow written off as the villain of the show that a lot of people hated him for it especially when he destroyed Skyrider, Super-1 and Kabuto in less than a minute. Then again, people started appreciated him again in Zi-O because in that show, they showed how he was originally envisioned as that "Necessary Evil" that needs to exist so they basically used Zi-O to flesh out more of Decade's story and is effective in making both shows greater for it.

Kamen Rider G was a TV Special and I've always thought they could have made more episodes of it. The concept was unique even though I saw so many references to Kamen Rider Kabuto.

Double/W was unique and very timely at the time of its release. USB's were gaining so much popularity at that time and the 2-in-1 rider was a totally new concept and I loved the portrayal of their characters.

OOO's uniqueness was from the usage of coins and that ridiculous 100+ combinations that can be used to defeat the enemy and Kougami's "Happy Birthday" which became my official social media greeting card to anyone I know who has a birthday on that day.

Fourze's design was something I disliked strongly and I preferred Meteor. The enemy character designs were based from the Zodiac signs which is unique but most of the parts became so annoying that while I loved the 100+ combinations with coins for OOO, the 40 switches were quite a nuisance for me, it's just hard to explain.

Wizard's design was something I've never seen before and I digged it so much. Plenty of stuff taken from Magiranger especially with the elements and dragons but this was my cut-off.

Zi-O by itself was a good series even though the retconned so many things that they retroactively explain that each series belongs in its own world even though Decade's story was connecting all of these worlds even though we got the A.R. worlds instead.

After watching Zi-O, I started watching Build. I loved the intro song and the whole story didn't seem to be a mess not until the last few episodes but I'm glad Banjou's not dead. Still waiting out for Build New World: Grease

Ex-Aid was too colorful for me but it was OK. I am a big fan of the Dangerous Zombie, he has way too many lives. Like a living cheat code. Can't believe his figure is so expensive now.

The only thing I liked about Ghost was the opening song and his collab movie with Kamen Rider 1. They could have done better with Ghost because his episode with Zi-O was really good and I liked it more than his original series.

Currently watching Drive and will catch up to Gaim later.

I consider Amazons as a parallel universe that exists at the same time as the mainstream timeline. Some people say it's a Lost Heisei series. Totally not a kid's show and I love it.


Thanks to this though, that I found my reason to start collecting figures of the ones that I like. Too bad they stopped producing the S.I.C Kiwami Tamashii series which was one of the most affordable and yet they displayed the same build quality as the bigger ones and now I'm stuck with the actual S.I.C which is huge af and the spin-off S.H. Figuarts Shinkocchou Seihou line which is a little bit smaller but with slightly more accurate depiction of the suits with better articulation. Planning to get Oma Zi-O or Black Hazard Build some time. Sorry for the long ass read.
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Never been much of a sentai fan. The only ones I've really liked was Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger due to nostalgia and Go-Busters, but from what I understand most sentai fans aren't crazy about Go-Busters as it doesn't really feel like a classic sentai. Must be why it's one of the only ones I like.

Kamen Rider is much more interesting to me. I started with Kamen Rider Wizard and fell sort of in love. Went ahead and watched Kiva, Decade, W, Fourze, Gaim, Drive, Amazon, Zi-o and is currently doing Zero-One.

Fourze has got to be my favorite and never felt like the show has managed to hit that level of comedy/comfy feel since.

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Never been much of a sentai fan. The only ones I've really liked was Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger due to nostalgia and Go-Busters, but from what I understand most sentai fans aren't crazy about Go-Busters as it doesn't really feel like a classic sentai. Must be why it's one of the only ones I like.

Kamen Rider is much more interesting to me. I started with Kamen Rider Wizard and fell sort of in love. Went ahead and watched Kiva, Decade, W, Fourze, Gaim, Drive, Amazon, Zi-o and is currently doing Zero-One.

Fourze has got to be my favorite and never felt like the show has managed to hit that level of comedy/comfy feel since.

Also despite not being much of a sentai fan the crossover movies between the different shows are always great.


I'd totally be down with a Kamen Rider/Super Sentai watchthrough on here.
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I didn't like Zyuranger. The Zyuranger had almost no personality (save for Burai), not much of a plot even for Sentai of that era, and focused far too much on guest kid characters. I thought Jetman and Dairanger were far better shows

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Yeah even though I loved Zyuranger I can totally see the opposite end of it and it might be seen in a negative light as a Viewer. I'm trying to remember if it was Zyuranger or Dairanger that had Children being possessed and killing people or trying to at least. Last night I watched the first three Episodes of Kyuranger and I'm already enjoying it to pieces. What I love about Kamen Rider Zero One I'm liking the different vibe compared to most Sentai Seasons I'm used to seeing. I wonder if Lucky who is the Red Ranger has more luck than Domino from the Comics ha. I do find it interesting they are really pushing the introduction to the new Rangers really fast and Kamen Rider sometimes do the same thing instead of slowly introducing them it was left and right coming hard. I remember Gaim doing that very early, but it worked out in the end.


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Sounds like Zyuranger, since that was very kid heavy

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Re: Kamen Rider/Super Sentai Discussion Thread

Decided to watch OOO, I've watched both W and Fourze but skipped over OOO for some reason. About half way in and I can see the similarities with that and Fourze but I still find Fourze way more enjoyable.

The medal system is nice and like the switch system, but it feels drawn out the longer the show goes on. In Fourze he just plugs in his switch and turns it on and he's switched a body part, in OOO it feels like you gotta go through a whole transformation sequence every time he makes a small switch and that kind of takes away the hype of him getting a combo in my opinion.

Ankh, Date and Goto are great allies/rivals for OOO in the show, they all seem so charismatic and when they're in a scene with Hino I'm always more drawn towards them.

After this I'll probably move on to Build. I tried Ex-Aid, but for some reason I just can't, the video game theme, the rider suits, I just can't.

Might also rewatch Go-Busters after they finally got their Power Rangers adaption.

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