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Yeah that petition is collecting MAD signitures.

It's not going to happen of course.

But it is hilarious seeing the number grow higher and higher.
Yeah but to put it into perspective it's about 1 percent of the viewership so it's basically nothing.
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I don't get the remake crap. You are still left with 6 (or 13 if you count last season) episodes to wrap.

You can't change the main GRRM plot - Dany turns. So if that's why people are bitching, sorry.

If the complaining is about it going too fast, reducing characters to just killing each other real quick, well like I said, 13 episodes to kill the Night King, Cersei, make Euron important and more fleshed out like the book, then have the Dany turn.

Is there problems? Yes. 1, plot moved too fast, 2, reducing great book characters like Euron to evil henchmen but still needed to show them as important, 3, teleporting.

But if anyone is complaining because of the Dany turn or that White Walkers were not the end game, well that's the intended story from day 1. You can space the battles out, but that's adding episodes.

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If anything, they could have added about 4 more episodes the past 2 seasons, easily sliding them in just to build stuff up more. Just scenes to space things out, and flesh out characters more.

You wouldn't have to change a thing we have seen. Just add these scenes:

1. Add scenes of Euron on his ship with his crew of mutes. You could've had an episode before he attacked Yara and Theon last season where you're introduced to the horrors that happens on his ship. You can even sprinkle in some magic ritual stuff, which could explain why he is always popping up at the right time (how he came through the storm that episode for instance, or built the ships so fast). This would show the viewers he's actually up to something more than banging Cersei. Have another scene of his crew in an episode before he goes dragon slaying this season, just doing crazy shit. The viewers didn't get to know this character, every scene of his was important events where he won, and never developing of the character.

2. Have more visions with Bran. Won't hurt anything and would give more backstory on white walkers, Harrenhal tourney, etc. More WW visions and backstory would ease the 'that's it?' complaints of the Night King's demise.

3. More Cersei. This season lacked the Cersei.

4. 1 more Dany scene last season of her teasing a 'mad queen'. I don't need one, but sounds like others do. So give it to them.
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I don't get the remake crap. You are still left with 6 (or 13 if you count last season) episodes to wrap.

You can't change the main GRRM plot - Dany turns. So if that's why people are bitching, sorry.

If the complaining is about it going too fast, reducing characters to just killing each other real quick, well like I said, 13 episodes to kill the Night King, Cersei, make Euron important and more fleshed out like the book, then have the Dany turn.

Is there problems? Yes. 1, plot moved too fast, 2, reducing great book characters like Euron to evil henchmen but still needed to show them as important, 3, teleporting.

But if anyone is complaining because of the Dany turn or that White Walkers were not the end game, well that's the intended story from day 1. You can space the battles out, but that's adding episodes.
People are angry about pretty much the whole execution of this season.

It's not one or two things, it's virtually EVERYTHING.

The dialogue is terrible. Characters are behaving in uncharacteristically for the sake of driving forward a terrible plot. Moments that have been hyped up and built up for ages are not being capitalized on. The direction itself is mediocre. The philosophy and general tone of the show have completely changed. Most of the tension is contrived due to stupid decisions or contrived scenarios. And LONG beloved or hated characters are not getting sendoffs worthy of the time invested in them or even worthy of what we've seen from the show.

The whole season is just a complete debacle.

@AryaDark, we didn't get to see Arya confront Cersei. Eight years of Arya trying to get to that woman and they didn't even have a face to face. Can you honestly say you're okay with that?

Also a lot more than 1% of people are unhappy with this season. They're taking in record low approval ratings and even the critics, who are more than happy to sell out, are not fond of what become of the show.
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It's underdeveloped because we are missing like another full season. White Walkers, building up Euron, Jaime/Brienne, Littlefinger/Sansa and Cersei getting back on her feet from the public 'shaming' (seems like all that happened too fast) should have been this season.

Another season (9) should have been Dany gearing up for Cersei, Euron attacking, Dany losing it, the KL battle, then 2 episodes, not 1 of Mad Queen.


My issue with the complaining to re-do it, is, you still get 6 episodes. Unless HBO magically fires D&D, hires another show runner (which should have happened years ago btw), and goes 10 seasons with everyone in the cast happy to come back, I don't see that happening.


Dany was turning either way. 6 episodes suck. It has sucked ever since D&D told everyone they were ready to bounce. People are just now getting mad? If we got this outrage about 4-5 years ago, HBO might of had new show runners to take us to 10 full seasons.

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People are angry about pretty much the whole execution of this season.

It's not one or two things, it's virtually EVERYTHING.

The dialogue is terrible. Characters are behaving in uncharacteristically for the sake of driving forward a terrible plot. Moments that have been hyped up and built up for ages are not being capitalized on. The direction itself is mediocre. The philosophy and general tone of the show have completely changed. Most of the tension is contrived due to stupid decisions or contrived scenarios. And LONG beloved or hated characters are not getting sendoffs worthy of the time invested in them or even worthy of what we've seen from the show.

The whole season is just a complete debacle.

@AryaDark, we didn't get to see Arya confront Cersei. Eight years of Arya trying to get to that woman and they didn't even have a face to face. Can you honestly say you're okay with that?

Also a lot more than 1% of people are unhappy with this season. They're taking in record low approval ratings and even the critics, who are more than happy to sell out, are not fond of what become of the show.

Yes I'm fine with that because I don't require everything to have a perfect and poetic ending. That's not good storytelling in my opinion. (She also wanted to kill Joffry but didn't get too...should I be mad at that as well?) GRRM almost never gives poetic endings because, he too, hates that... can't wait to see the petitions for GRRM to re-write his books because they aren't poetic and perfect fairy tale endings.


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This season should be 10-12 episodes, same as season 7 should have been

The problem, I think, is that Martin's "outline" that he provided to HBO on what is going to happen in Winds of Winter and Dream of Summer was almost certainly very limited in details. Probably because Martin hadn't come up with most of the details yet. He still probably hasn't but that's another discussion (aka bitch session)

So D&D, who are strong adapters but not good at coming up with details themselves, and who also were probably terrified of filling in the blanks with things that the last two books could end up directly contradicting, decided not to fill in the blanks

I get the feeling Martin's outline went something like this:

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How, why, all that good stuff you guys can figure out. I'm late for a meeting about the next TV series on HBO I'll make millions for producing, then I'm off to another convention appearance. I'm sure you'll do a great job byyyyyyyyye!
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Speaking of GRRM's outline... here's his original outline including the Arya loves Jon angle

https://www.insider.com/game-of-thro...l-story-2017-8
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Re: Game Of Thrones season 8

Honestly, I'm fine with Dany turning, I wanted this to happen for a long time because she always came off as a entitled and bad person to me, so that fact didn't bother me. It's the fact that it was poorly executed that really sucks. I mean, come on, she is so mad she executes innocent people? The same people she came here to "save"? If you're mad Cercei killed your friend - go on kill her, in fact she never flies to the Red Keep where Cercei was. It was just stupid and I didn't buy that.

But I'm more dissapointed with the show because of the fact that they ruined my favorite arc for years - and it's Jon's. His stuff was the most interesting stuff for me since s5, probably even before. But they've completely butchered his arc and character, they made him non-relevant and stupid, and after everything - they screwed us with White Walker resolution, because there were no depth to them and they were just not that important in the end. I can't buy that fighting Cercei is more important than fighting death. Fuck that. I don't care who sits on the fucking throne, I'm with Jon on that, I wanted more stuff from the north. They build WW as the ultimate threat, and didn't deliver. Btw, Jon didn't even fight the Night King. Fuck, how excited I was during Hardhome. It was 5 years ago, and it was for nothing. How can't I be mad?



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