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You're a bit reaching here. Tries his hardest - is far from truth.

This is exactly what you're talking about, balancing between 2 lives:



And Peter does this stuff the whole movie. I've already pointed out the fact that he came off a bit whiny, and I can see why people wouldn't like that (I didn't appreciate it too much either), but honestly, the kid is 15 years old. He just fought fucking Thanos, twice in a row. Give him a break. As a human being, you can sympathize with that. Especially considering how he actually goes and saves the world after all. They showed his character's growth, and I didn't have any problem with it.



That's the thing, they chose to show him grow into a man.



I wasn't a big fan of this too, but Avengers are main eventers, I guess everybody should suck their dicks. And honestly, maybe when Peter will become older, he will be standing his ground more and tell everyone to fuck off. Idk why are expecting all this from a kid.



You mean this scene?

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I thought everybody including critics agrees that it was done great and was a cool homage to the comics? What's wrong with it?



Why a joke? If anything, they just raised the stakes and we got a glimpse of build for Kraven's hunt (possibly).
Trying to ghost Nick Fury until after his vacation, attempting to leave his suit at home (and failing because of Aunt May), handing over Edith to Quentin Beck (a man he BARELY knows) with ease is a little extreme don't you think?

Usually in the comics and the other movies, Peter choosing one side over the other has a consequence (even if he's doing the right thing). Peter in Spider-Man 2 saves two kids from being hit by a truck. While it was the right thing to do, he gets fired from his job because he was late on the delivery as a result of him saving those kids. Peter choosing to stop those crooks caused him to miss Mary Jane's play and she gets upset with him. His grades are falling, late for class, etc because of his Spider-Man responsibilities. In the comics, a villain would attack in front of Peter and his friends, Peter always runs away for obvious reasons. Since no one knows that he's Spider-Man, the consequence of Peter running away is him being mistaken for a coward. Now compare that with MCU Spider-Man where he suffers no consequences (that clip from FFH doesn't really count because she already knows that he's Spider-Man and she also follows him to the carnival). He ditches the decathlon team in Washington DC and they still win without him (as a result they don't get mad at him). Peter ditches Liz a couple of times in Homecoming, she doesn't get mad at him at all. You can't even have Ned get mad at him for ditching him at the party because Ned knew his secret identity 22 minutes into the movie.

Peter trying to join the Fantastic Four happened in the very FIRST Amazing Spider-Man issue and he was still a High School kid. My point is that MCU Spider-Man should've had this attitude from the get go.

My biggest issue with Homecoming wasting that wreckage scene is because they didn't get what made that moment thrilling in the first place. In the comics, the reason he needed to get out of the wreckage is because Aunt May was on the verge of dying, Ock's Hideout had a water leak that was getting worse by the second, and not only would Peter lose his life (due to the flooding) but Aunt May would also die. Add that to the fact that he was also exhausted and weak from all of the fighting, lack of sleep (due to starting college and being there for Aunt May during her illness) and come to find out that the blood that he had given her in an earlier issue when she needed a blood transfusion turned out to be what was killing her (for obvious reasons). Right when Peter was about to give up, he reminded himself of his responsibility to Aunt May and that her life depends on him getting the serum to Dr. Connors (which was laying right in front of him during his entire struggle as if it was taunting him). With that in mind, Peter uses every last ounce of strength he had to push the weight off of him, get the serum to Dr. Connors and he successfully saves his Aunt as a result.

What were the stakes of him getting out of the wreckage in Homecoming? Him proving that he doesn't need the suit to be Spider-Man, stop the Vulture from stealing, and he can prove to Tony that he's worthy of becoming an Avenger (which he turns down)? No just no. I will give Tom Holland credit for his acting though.

I wouldn't get my hopes for Kraven judging by these rumors about him possibly being from Wakanda.

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This is why I can't take you seriously. You really have zero credibility. In the comics and the Raimi movie spiderman 2, Peter literally walked away from being spiderman
Good to hear from you again! LMAO. Peter quit being Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2 and TASM #50? WOW! NO SHIT!

Peter in the comics and Spider-Man 2 wanted to walk away from their Spider-Man duties FOR GOOD. Peter in Far From Home just wanted to be left alone for his entire vacation. It's not the same thing.

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MCU Kraven might be from Wakanda?


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(never mind the fact that his arc in the newer movies is dumb anyway because he should ALREADY be his own man).
This was my main gripe with the direction of the character, mostly in homecoming though.
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Real late to the party but finally saw the movie earlier today and though I very much enjoyed it I do admit I was kind of hoping for more. Still a good watch I'd easily give a 7.5 out of 10 but I'd heard a lot of praise for it that made me feel it should have been even better.

But anyway thoughts Mysterio was awesome and easily the best part of the movie. Like really really well done. They fit his character into MCU continuity perfectly with his motivations making sense and making him a good foil for Peter. He was actually genuinely quite likable before the "twist" (put in quotation marks cause it really wasn't a twist for anyone who knows anything about Mysterio) He actually looked really cool despite them keeping the fishbowl design for the comics (no small feat) and Jake Gyllenhaal I've heard about a bunch but not really seen but he nailed that performance on both ends of the spectrum with Mysterio. Also that first illusion fight with Spiderman is amazing my god.

Peter I actually understood his struggle in this movie. He wanted to get away from being Spiderman for a bit because he was so constantly being weighed down by the expectations placed on him due to Tony's death both from the public as well as the more official figures so he just wanted a chance to be Peter Parker and get with MJ which because this Peter Parker is a teenager does make perfect sense to me. Yet also when there was danger he always took responsibility and did what he could to help cause he is still a hero at heart even if as Mysterio put it he's just "A hormonal teenager". Granted I do think more could have been done with the concept but it was a solid idea and executed well enough I didn't mind too much. Though him giving EDITH to Mysterio so easily even if they did have some genuinely good bonding scenes I'll admit was questionable (I get the idea not sure execution was done well)

The side characters....They were mostly bad. I kind of liked MJ this time around wheras in the first she didn't seem too interesting to me but here they actually slightly rectified that since she was the main love interest and actually was semi interesting though also not really great just kinda good. Ned I actually liked in the first movie but feel he got less interesting or funny in this one though he did occasionally get me smiling so it's not like he had no charm though definitely a lot less. Flash this time barely existed though I actually liked him this time around as we actually learn a bit about him apart from him bullying Peter Parker (Rich family but mother too busy to pick him up from the airport that scene did more for him than anything in homecoming). The teachers were awful and I really hope to never see them again please. It was fine when one of them was in homecoming very occasionally and wasn't too grating but he was here more and so much worse in this movie and the new one they introduced was also just annoying and unfunny. Brad was meh took the flash role of Peter antagonist but was even less interesting.

The end credits stingers were good JK SIMMONS No one else can be J. Jonah Jameson I'm sorry he was meant for that role. The scene itself was really well done and it's good that Mysterio had an actual impact rather than just being the villain. Despite imo Vulture being better as a character he never really had that impact in Homecoming that Mysterio ended up happening here and if we get the last hunt I am all for it (though randomly making Kraven wakandan sounds kinda stupid if they can work it in well I'll accept it but it is admittedly raising some red flags for me) Second end credits scene was interesting enough though I might be being an idiot outside of the obvious though I didn't see anything significant about it felt a bit like it was just there as a neat little twist more than anything which is fine but in that case why be after the major one?

Action as usual was fantastic but nowadays that's a given and overall though it wasn't perfect by any stretch I still really enjoyed it.
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(never mind the fact that his arc in the newer movies is dumb anyway because he should ALREADY be his own man).


This was my main gripe with the direction of the character, mostly in homecoming though.

How should Peter already be his own man? He is a kid in these movies. He is just like 16 or 17

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I just want to say that Mysterio is the Truth


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They told you in this movie, Spiderman is going to be the leader.

The whole point of the movie was for spiderman to nut up and take charge.

Capt Marvel has bigger fish to fry than being the leader. She is always going to be dealing with the galactic stuff. Same goes for GOTG as well as Thor. She will be the leader of the Galatic Avengers of the ones I just mentioned as well as the Eternals.

Dr. Strange has too much on his plate dealing with all the mystic stuff. And Black Panther is King of Wakanda.

None of the other Avengers are leader material.

Like I said the next team up movie (Avengers) won't be until the end of phase 4 and that is where Peter will take the role as the leader because that will be after Spiderman 3 and he will be out of high school.
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How should Peter already be his own man? He is a kid in these movies. He is just like 16 or 17
You just killed your own argument. He's just a kid in these movies so he should not be expected to be his own man. Are you like, 12 or something? Graduating high school does not make you a man.

How can he be his own man?! He's just a kid! Oh but just as soon as he graduates from high school, people like Doctor Strange and Black Panther are going to accept him as leader of the Avengers.

Take it away, Triple J.



And if I have to explain it again, Avengers movies are when Avengers assemble. Doctor Strange and Black Panther are not going to have more pressing matters to deal with when an Avengers level threat comes along and they ain't taking orders from some kid fresh out of high school.

He barely even knows most of them. After he has been in a couple more Avengers movies, grows up into an actual man instead of a teenager, then sure, I can see him being the leader of the Avengers. I love Spider-Man as much as you do but this idea of him being the leader of the Avengers in the next movie is retarded.

What this movie actually established is that Peter will be taking over Tony's role of tech support. This was shown not just with the glasses but when Happy had that look on his face while Peter was in the plane using the tech Tony left him to design a new suit. He's every bit the genius that Tony was and now he has billions worth of tech to work with. It'll be great to see what he comes up with to help out the team... the team that is not going to be taking orders from a kid fresh out of high school.
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You just killed your own argument. He's just a kid in these movies so he should not be expected to be his own man. Are you like, 12 or something? Graduating high school does not make you a man.

How can he be his own man?! He's just a kid! Oh but just as soon as he graduates from high school, people like Doctor Strange and Black Panther are going to accept him as leader of the Avengers.

Take it away, Triple J.



And if I have to explain it again, Avengers movies are when Avengers assemble. Doctor Strange and Black Panther are not going to have more pressing matters to deal with when an Avengers level threat comes along and they ain't taking orders from some kid fresh out of high school.

He barely even knows most of them. After he has been in a couple more Avengers movies, grows up into an actual man instead of a teenager, then sure, I can see him being the leader of the Avengers. I love Spider-Man as much as you do but this idea of him being the leader of the Avengers in the next movie is retarded.

What this movie actually established is that Peter will be taking over Tony's role of tech support. This was shown not just with the glasses but when Happy had that look on his face while Peter was in the plane using the tech Tony left him to design a new suit. He's every bit the genius that Tony was and now he has billions worth of tech to work with. It'll be great to see what he comes up with to help out the team... the team that is not going to be taking orders from a kid fresh out of high school.
Yeah Spiderman as long as the deal with Sony keeps up longer probably will become the leader of the earth based avengers but that's a way away given he's still a kid this point. Plus everyone wants him to live upto Tony Stark and you want to know what Tony wasn't? (at least till after Civil War when he had to be because the real one left) The leader of the Avengers. Cap until Civil War where he couldn't be was always the leader and even when he came back briefly he was, Tony was the genius who didn't have the mentality to be the leader but was one of the strongest hitters due to all his tech which Peter till he grows into being the leader will do the same, Use the tech and be a powerful asset while he grows in maturity and truly earns the title of being the leader maybe in phase 6 or 7 if the MCU gets that far.
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Yeah Spiderman as long as the deal with Sony keeps up longer probably will become the leader of the earth based avengers but that's a way away given he's still a kid this point. Plus everyone wants him to live upto Tony Stark and you want to know what Tony wasn't? (at least till after Civil War when he had to be because the real one left) The leader of the Avengers. Cap until Civil War where he couldn't be was always the leader and even when he came back briefly he was, Tony was the genius who didn't have the mentality to be the leader but was one of the strongest hitters due to all his tech which Peter till he grows into being the leader will do the same, Use the tech and be a powerful asset while he grows in maturity and truly earns the title of being the leader maybe in phase 6 or 7 if the MCU gets that far.
I don't know the exact deal they made with Sony but Sony would be fools to try to get out of it. They are making bank from this deal and would piss off a LOT of fans if they tried to back out. Also, I highly doubt Feige would have invested this much effort into building up Spider-Man in the MCU if he wasn't confident that Holland would be around for a long time.

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