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This version of Peter Parker is them mixing the stories of Peter and Miles together. These side characters aren't the characters we associate with Peter because they are not supposed to be. If you accept that, the characters are just fine as a supporting cast.

Though I agree they should just not give Zendaya's character the MJ moniker if they are going to make her so not MJ. That's like DC butchering of Superman and Batman mythos in their DCEU level bad.
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Spiderman 2 is so overrated its not even funny. I went over all the reason before, I don't want to get back into it, but if you want to play the why spiderman is bad videos here ya go


I'm not going to sit here and break down each video. I've stated why Raimi films >>>> MCU Spider-man.

And TBH the guy in this video seems like one of those annoying douchbags that act like an absolute smart ass about a movie when you're watching with him. . This idiot thinks somehow Uncle Ben telling Peter to be careful with the man he's becoming and Peter becoming Spider-man because he hits people is a contradiction LOL. Talk about missing the point. Aunt May giving "bad pep talks"? Seriously? She acted very realistic to his broken moments. I would've told Peter the same thing when he felt remorseful for lashing out his Uncle before his death, Uncle Ben knew Peter loved him and that's all that mattered at the end of the day. And this guy complains about skulls? Maybe there were skulls because it represents death and Peter thought he was DYING? It's clear this guy has a hate boner for Sam Raimi but that's cool. Doesn't mean that the movies were bad Spider-man movies.

But yea I'm not going to go on ranting on this video lol.

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Why are people referring to this as "Disney Spider-Man", when Feige has only developed the core characters such as Peter, Mysterio, and Vulture? Everything else was very much done by Sony. So you're saying it's a bad "Disney Spider-Man" when in reality you're saying "it's just another bad Sony Spider-Man film". They (Marvel) didn't make the casting choices like Brock, fake MJ, etc that was 100% Sony.
Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.

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^^ Not to mention the first video's ratio of likes and dislikes just proves that it isn't the majority that thinks Homecoming is better. Even the dude doing the video stated he knows saying the first 2 Spiderman movies suck is an unpopular opinion.

Yet we are contrarians if we say we like a non-Tom Holland version of Spiderman or Spiderman movie better...
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Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.
I like how you blatantly confirmed exactly what I stated . Both Sony and Feige have been very open on who controls what over the IP all you have to do is use Google. This really seems like a you problem because you have some hang up over Disney having even the slightest control over the character, so you're delusionally adding something that isn't there. The terms of the contract have been leaked so much that you'd have to be blind to not understand where the true power lies in all of this. Do you homework, but you won't cause you want to continue to bitch about Marvel and Disney controlling the current Spider-Man film franchise just for the sake of complaining about Disney when the reality is their control is a footnote.
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This version of Peter Parker is them mixing the stories of Peter and Miles together. These side characters aren't the characters we associate with Peter because they are not supposed to be. If you accept that, the characters are just fine as a supporting cast.

Though I agree they should just not give Zendaya's character the MJ moniker if they are going to make her so not MJ. That's like DC butchering of Superman and Batman mythos in their DCEU level bad.
Except Peter Parker is being presented as Peter Parker. He's not being presented as some hybrid character named Peter Morales, or something. He's Peter Parker. If it was a different Spider-Man, then you might have more of a point, but... it's not. It's Peter Parker.

Again, I didn't really mind Ned. He was fine for the role he was filling, IMO.

I agree that separating Michelle from the MJ identity may have made her more palatable, or at least it wouldn't be as annoying as trying to flagrantly reimagine MJ. I mean, with Tom Holland, they hit the ball out of the park. He's probably the best, most authentic iteration of Peter Parker/Spider-Man we've seen. But then they totally reinvent 'MJ' to be someone else entirely. And even if she weren't attached to the identity of MJ, she was still a lame character in Homecoming. She added nothing at all to the movie.

Perhaps if she were written to be a better, more interesting character, it would be easier to forgive her attachment to the 'MJ' identity. Like, with Aunt May, I was able to forgive the reimagining of that character in Marisa Tomei because she was actually a good addition to the movie, even in the small role she had.

Michelle and Flash didn't do that. They both fell very flat.

I thought Vulture was quite well done both conceptually and by Keaton's acting. I can't say if they'll have the same success with Mysterio/Gyllenhaal yet, and that may be a taller order than trying to adapt a character like Vulture well. I suppose we'll see.
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Wut da hayell. The Amazing Spider-man movies were mediocre, with Andrew Garfield portraying a terrible Peter Parker and every villain being absolutely forgettable. The Sam Raimi films were better but the action sequences weren't that good for the most part and Tobey MacGuire had serious limitations too-he was a decent nerdy high school nerd Peter, but the evolution wasn't enough and his acting skills weren't that good-. Also Spider-man 3 is considered an atrocious film. Spider-verse was a nice love letter but also a totally different thing.

Holland is the best Peter Parker / Spider-man without a trace of doubt, Vulture was an awesome villain and I expect Mysterio to be as good as him. Feige really knows how to translate comic characters to the films.
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I'm not going to sit here and break down each video. I've stated why Raimi films >>>> MCU Spider-man.

And TBH the guy in this video seems like one of those annoying douchbags that act like an absolute smart ass about a movie when you're watching with him. . This idiot thinks somehow Uncle Ben telling Peter to be careful with the man he's becoming and Peter becoming Spider-man because he hits people is a contradiction LOL. Talk about missing the point. Aunt May giving "bad pep talks"? Seriously? She acted very realistic to his broken moments. I would've told Peter the same thing when he felt remorseful for lashing out his Uncle before his death, Uncle Ben knew Peter loved him and that's all that mattered at the end of the day. And this guy complains about skulls? Maybe there were skulls because it represents death and Peter thought he was DYING? It's clear this guy has a hate boner for Sam Raimi but that's cool. Doesn't mean that the movies were bad Spider-man movies.

But yea I'm not going to go on ranting on this video lol.



Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.
And its obvious you have hate boner for the homecoming spiderman.

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Except Peter Parker is being presented as Peter Parker. He's not being presented as some hybrid character named Peter Morales, or something. He's Peter Parker. If it was a different Spider-Man, then you might have more of a point, but... it's not. It's Peter Parker.

Again, I didn't really mind Ned. He was fine for the role he was filling, IMO.

I agree that separating Michelle from the MJ identity may have made her more palatable, or at least it wouldn't be as annoying as trying to flagrantly reimagine MJ. I mean, with Tom Holland, they hit the ball out of the park. He's probably the best, most authentic iteration of Peter Parker/Spider-Man we've seen. But then they totally reinvent 'MJ' to be someone else entirely. And even if she weren't attached to the identity of MJ, she was still a lame character in Homecoming. She added nothing at all to the movie.

Perhaps if she were written to be a better, more interesting character, it would be easier to forgive her attachment to the 'MJ' identity. Like, with Aunt May, I was able to forgive the reimagining of that character in Marisa Tomei because she was actually a good addition to the movie, even in the small role she had.

Michelle and Flash didn't do that. They both fell very flat.

I thought Vulture was quite well done both conceptually and by Keaton's acting. I can't say if they'll have the same success with Mysterio/Gyllenhaal yet, and that may be a taller order than trying to adapt a character like Vulture well. I suppose we'll see.
Why do they need to explicitly tell you they are mixing the two characters stories by giving you a dumb name for you to follow their intention? They borrow different versions of Peter Parker in previous films as well to tell a story. It is not different from what they did here except they borrowed from Miles instead of Ultimate universe.

I didn't see the need for Michelle as well. Liz was more than enough for a story telling purpose in Homecoming as the love interest. I'm cool with Flash though. It was a different type of bullying. Instead of the usual physical bully, this version is a rich snob bullying that is probably more common.
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Nice deflection.
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I'm not going to sit here and break down each video. I've stated why Raimi films >>>> MCU Spider-man.

And TBH the guy in this video seems like one of those annoying douchbags that act like an absolute smart ass about a movie when you're watching with him. . This idiot thinks somehow Uncle Ben telling Peter to be careful with the man he's becoming and Peter becoming Spider-man because he hits people is a contradiction LOL. Talk about missing the point. Aunt May giving "bad pep talks"? Seriously? She acted very realistic to his broken moments. I would've told Peter the same thing when he felt remorseful for lashing out his Uncle before his death, Uncle Ben knew Peter loved him and that's all that mattered at the end of the day. And this guy complains about skulls? Maybe there were skulls because it represents death and Peter thought he was DYING? It's clear this guy has a hate boner for Sam Raimi but that's cool. Doesn't mean that the movies were bad Spider-man movies.

But yea I'm not going to go on ranting on this video lol.



Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.
This is a response to that video. birthday_massacre is REALLY grasping at straws for even putting that video up.
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