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There is a reason why I am going back and reading old stuff. I don't even bother with a majority of newer releases.

The only comics I can think of in the last decade that I've read and enjoyed were the C-3PO comic (TBH, my favorite Star Wars comic ever), some of the IDW Godzilla entries (Half Century War was awesome, an all time favorite of mine), and DC's run on Masters of the Universe, which I enjoyed largely for nostalgia, and thankfully they didn't make He-Man look like a punk in order to elevate Teela and She-Ra (the later of whom was awesome enough on her own).

But when they started doing things like making Captain American (my favorite hero under the Marvel banner BTW) a Nazi, and trying (for some reason) to bring Watchmen back, I just tuned out.

And then of course, if I don't like it, then I'm a dirty bigot...k.
Marvel has gotten better lately, at least as far as X-Men and Spider-Man go.
DC on the other hand still shits in the pot and needs to stop jerking off Watchmen so much. Heck, the comic that was meant to denounce Watchmen is taking forever and at this point I'm convinced its done intentionally so DC editorial can keep its dark and edgy shit going longer.
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I don't have many favorites from the last decade too. There were some good stories but almost nothing to go back read years later.

I suggest you, if you haven't already, to check out some manga then. There are so many great titles to choose from variety of genres. No boundries, full creativity and balls unlike the western comics. I can even recommend some stuff according the genre you seek.
Third party comics aren't to bad. But yeah Manga. If One Punch Man and My Hero Academia are any indicator, manga does American superheroes better than DC and Marvel these days.
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Not that I want to disregard the abysmal treatment of American comics, but don't you think that the difference in format could be affecting the decline of comics and the rise of mangas?

Let me explain: most American comics are neverending. There will be another villain, or another coup to bring back an old villain, and whenever the hero goes through change, they can easily retcon it if people don't like it enough.

Mangas, on the other hand, are usually a story with a beginning and an end planned. If it gets too popular, they'll prepare a spin-off to milk the franchise.

Don't you think it might be possible that people have grown tired of stories that, at the end of the day, carry no real weight because the story will never end and it can always be retconned at wish?
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Not that I want to disregard the abysmal treatment of American comics, but don't you think that the difference in format could be affecting the decline of comics and the rise of mangas?

Let me explain: most American comics are neverending. There will be another villain, or another coup to bring back an old villain, and whenever the hero goes through change, they can easily retcon it if people don't like it enough.

Mangas, on the other hand, are usually a story with a beginning and an end planned. If it gets too popular, they'll prepare a spin-off to milk the franchise.

Don't you think it might be possible that people have grown tired of stories that, at the end of the day, carry no real weight because the story will never end and it can always be retconned at wish?
Valid points, but I believe that comics have been in decline for a while, before the rise of manga.

At the SDCC, DC EIC Dan Didio mentioned that stories from 20 years ago sell better than newer material. I think its more that both DC and Marvel have burned so many bridges with fans and produced so much crap in the last decade that fans have less faith in them to produce quality stories anymore. Its not all that different from WWE right now, come to think of it.
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Valid points, but I believe that comics have been in decline for a while, before the rise of manga.

At the SDCC, DC EIC Dan Didio mentioned that stories from 20 years ago sell better than newer material. I think its more that both DC and Marvel have burned so many bridges with fans and produced so much crap in the last decade that fans have less faith in them to produce quality stories anymore. Its not all that different from WWE right now, come to think of it.
Well yeah, that's pretty much a given. I quit Marvel and DC comics 5 years ago more or less, due to the comics not being worth the money I spent monthly and the lack of space, so I know the feeling.

I don't know if you ever heard of this Italian publishing house https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Bonelli_Editore; they have, just as Marvel and DC, been on a steady decline for years now. But their comics haven't featured half the crap Marvel and DC comics have featured in the past few years (despite the quality of some of them, like Dylan Dog, has worsened very much), but still they make less and less money. There's only one aspect in which they could be be said to be worse than Marvel and DC: the characters of their comics NEVER change. "Tex", who is their longest comics to date (it started in 1948!) is exactly the same guy he was back then, with very minor differences.
That's what made me consider that maybe people are just more interested in mangas, nowadays.

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Not that I want to disregard the abysmal treatment of American comics, but don't you think that the difference in format could be affecting the decline of comics and the rise of mangas?

Let me explain: most American comics are neverending. There will be another villain, or another coup to bring back an old villain, and whenever the hero goes through change, they can easily retcon it if people don't like it enough.

Mangas, on the other hand, are usually a story with a beginning and an end planned. If it gets too popular, they'll prepare a spin-off to milk the franchise.

Don't you think it might be possible that people have grown tired of stories that, at the end of the day, carry no real weight because the story will never end and it can always be retconned at wish?
The concept of comics was always like this though. there are also sociological factors in the business of printing media (technology, accessibility, etc.), so it is not simple as bad writing = bad buys/good writing = good buys, but comics were never this bad. there is no continuity (in its own unique way of course), and no respect for its tradition hence the butchered iconic characters, legacies and so on. They are hiring people to the positions that were once eluded even the best of the best, all time level creators. comics are not feeling like comics, characters are not human, agenda is glaring.

one would think that the huge success and acceptence of superheroes in the mainstream media would at least be a positive factor in the downward trend of the comic book industry but apparently not. I want to point out that I am only talking about the big 2 when I am saying western comic books. there are so many great writers, artists and works out there, I am not discrediting them. But they don't have the platform to express themselves like they or their predecessors used to.
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The concept of comics was always like this though. there are also sociological factors in the business of printing media (technology, accessibility, etc.), so it is not simple as bad writing = bad buys/good writing = good buys, but comics were never this bad. there is no continuity (in its own unique way of course), and no respect for its tradition hence the butchered iconic characters, legacies and so on. They are hiring people to the positions that were once eluded even the best of the best, all time level creators. comics are not feeling like comics, characters are not human, agenda is glaring.
The thing is, do you think people are still willing to accept "comics have always been like this"? Because, despite "traditional" publishers like Marvel and DC shitty runs, there is no signal of smaller publishers taking advantage of that.

As @virus21 said, Marvel and DC right can be compared to WWE; the problem is, there is no AEW in sight to take advantage of that. Which either means people don't see any smaller publisher as worth their time/money, or that their interest has shifted towards a similar-but-not-so-similar product, which is manga.

Again, what Marvel and DC did to their comics is inexcusable. As I said, I dropped them because they aren't worthy, and have been collecting and reading some older stuff (I just finished Garth Ennis' Punisher, good God what a run); but in all honesty, as it is I'd rather continue One Piece and Attack on Titan because I want to know the development than read a new Hulk's arch, despite how critically acclaimed it is.

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I think no other western publishing company will overtake the big 2, as long as they continue to make comics. They have gargantuan advantage over their ''competition'' due to their iconic characters. Valiant comics tried (still doing actually) to do the same all books in same universe concept but they have not even come close to their initial goal. western comic industry is too fixated on characters. the ideal scenario would be taking the standard manga magazine concept but infrastructures and cultures are so different.

The difference between WWE though, they are not family run business and comics are not the end all for them. They don't care about being the taking over by manga in their own turf because in the long run none of the owners (disney/wb) care nor rely on the income from the comics. They can stop producing comics (which is only a mere drop in their ocean in terms of income) and still make tons of money with the movies, shows, general merchandising, etc. Which I am sure that this is the direction we are heading. Improvement from WWE's side is somewhat possible, I am not really optimistic about the big 2 though.

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So Absolute Carnage dropped today and let me tell you this Story is going to get me back into reading Comics and not just Manga. I didn't know when I thought about it how many people have rocked a Symbiote over the Years and it's getting me to want to know how it happened for some of those Characters. We are seeing in this Story the...THEEEE strongest Carnage I've ever seen in Comics. He's hunting down everyone who's rocked a Symbiote and you know it starts with Eddie Brock if you know your History.

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It's like old times seeing Eddie and Peter team up to face Carnage. Problem is this is a whole new Carnage and Animal they have to deal with. I'm getting big vibes of the Movie the One with Jet Lee, with Lee trying to get rid of his other selfs to get stronger. Carnage is sorta doing that, but he's creating his own Carnage Army which grows stronger with every move from Carnage. Carnage back in the day was hard as fuck to defeat, this Carnage that considers itself God, will be the toughest challenge Eddie and Peter will have ever faced by the end of this.


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