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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 10-23-2019, 10:57 AM
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Re: Why Seth Rollins currently isn't meant to be WWE's top guy.

Seth Rollins has NEVER been a worthy world champion and face of the company based off of his skill set and real life personality.


Seth Rollins brags about his pay, whines about fans at airports, complains about fans sabotaging his matches even though it's his job to entertain people, embarasses himself as the top guy on social media with his feud with Ospreay (how pathetic is is that the top face of the top company is apologising to a mid tier guy in a smaller promotion), throws Ambrose under the bus and now in response to his complete lack of mic skills and character (which he NEVER had) is saying DURRR YOU'RE ALL JEALOUS AND WISH YOU COULD DATE BECKY!!!
Rollins is an indy guy who was popular with the IWC who's now being thrust into the top role of a The top promotion. He's not gonna handle himself with Class like Cena (who had more hate than any other guy), he's gonna behave like a wrestling forum ranter.


In terms of his skill set all he has is good in ring skills, a decent look (albeit a little generic with the amount of wet haired guys running around) and a cool moveset.


-He's NEVER been a good promo. His mic skills are bad for a top face.

-His in ring psychology and selling is weak and his selling of the knee is the laughable.

-He has ZERO CHARACTER! For those who says ''he's a workhorse'' that's a character of low card opening match guy not the face of the freaking company.

-He can't be successful by himself. His lack of presence and charisma was masked by being in the SHIELD, in his entire heel run he had the Authority surround him to give him heel heat because he's bad on the mic, in his IC title run he had the SHIELD AGAIN and recently they had to incorporate his real life relationship to give him personality because by himself he has none.

-For those who say WWE doesn't give him character, when has Tyler Black shown an interesting character in ROH? Rollins has never shown standout character even when he's in the indies. He has no hint of potential. Seth Rollins has been given plenty of time in the main event and still shows ZERO personality. Writing may be bad but the sheer amount of screen time he's had he's had plenty of chances.

-WWE HAVE TRIED! They've given him so many nicknames like '' The Architect, Kingslayer, Beastslayer and the Burn it Down schtick but he does NOTHING other than wear T shirts. He doesn't take the ball and run with it like R-Truth can. He's given stuff and does zilch.

-His entrance is lame and his theme music without Burn it Down sounds like generic jobber music.

-I get strong vibes that he panders to IWC hardcore fans rather than try to appeal to casuals. Him starting beef with guys in NJPW (AKA promotions that a casual wouldn't of heard of) to try and make himself look cool and him cosplaying for no good reason (it's got nothing to do with his character. At least when Mysterio did it it made sense because he wears masks) to pander to internet nerds that he appeals to.

-He's got no standout traits, catchphrases or taunts. If you ask someone to impersonate Seth Rollins, what are you gonna do? He's so bland.

This isn't just a recent thing for me. Ever since the SHIELD were a thing, I always said that he was the guy with the least potential to be an interesting main eventer. Ambrose had the promos and crazed character, Reigns was a silent badass that was very popular with the fans and Rollins had...workrate.

But the IWC continued through these years to hype him as the best thing in WWE just because of some moves he does in the ring. All of his title reigns have been hot garbage (NO his IC title reigns are shit if he manages to get fans to chant other things in his matches and whines about it on twitter). You guys were praying for him to beat Brock at Mania, you got it and we got a shit title reign.

His feud with Styles was promoted in backstage interviews because he has no presence. Yes Corbin is boring but so is Rollins. You guys can complain about bad writing all you want but if you have no character and never shown potential for character, you're not giving creative a good base to work off of.

I would rather have a champion that shows up once a month that is actually ENTERTAINING, has CHARACTER, is UNPREDICTABLE and has a PRESENCE! If Rollins keeps up with his ridiculous resume (he's a THREE time double champion), things will only get worse.
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Re: Why Seth Rollins currently isn't meant to be WWE's top guy.

he's good at everything but not great at anything

and even then his promos are often not even 'good'!

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Re: Why Seth Rollins currently isn't meant to be WWE's top guy.

Christ man you should do ted talks.

But yeah I agree. Seth as IC champion was a lot of fun. He received strong booking but not ridiculous booking. But it's not just Seth himself that's the problem. You put anyone on top even the fiend and Vince will make you hate them. He never books top guys naturally. He books them like superman with the infinity gauntlet. There's never any failures or trials it's always prevail.

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Re: Why Seth Rollins currently isn't meant to be WWE's top guy.

Seth Rollins for me always worked better as a heel. He's not a top tier guy on the mic, but they have pushed guys worse than him on the stick. I always felt like he carried himself like a star and has a good look. Not in the sense of he'll kick your ass in a shoot, but more like a rockstar vibe. I think as a face his character panders too much and he hasn't done himself any favors with some of the stuff he has said on social media.

I don't think WWE can have a dominant face and have him on television every week and main eventing every PPV. The fans are pretty much going to turn on whoever is in that spot and anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves. If WWE is going to have dominant face at the forefront, he needs to be booked like Lesnar in the sense that he doesn't show up every week and he doesn't wrestle on every PPV.
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WWE: "Seth is just a regular guy, like me and you! He proves that ANYONE can be Universal champion! Please watch our programs. PLEASE."
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Re: Why Seth Rollins currently isn't meant to be WWE's top guy.

Well I am of the belief that being a standard regular guy is not that bad for a pro wrestler. That is, if you have charisma. I mean, I like Daniel Bryan, and he's a regular nerd, like a lot of people. His shtick actually IS that he's one of us, he's being bulled and called "B+" his entire life, but he overcomes this, so we can get behind him.

But in Seth's case, he is just not charismatic enough to portray this character. Idk how he was as Tyler Black, people seemed to love him before. But WWE forced this guy on us like we should buy that he's "one of us", when in reality we know he's a big head prick in real life, and he doesn't exactly come off as a humbled person on TV.



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I get the point you're trying to make but the argument is very flawed. The picture stuff is just subjective. How do you know a casual fan sees a picture of Seth Rollins and is not interested? You have no basis to that argument. The pictures of CM Punk and Seth Rollins look identical, why is the Punk one ok but the Rollins one not?

And if a casual fan saw a picture of Stone Cold and didn't know who he was, they might just think angry bald guy, and look at that picture of Cena, he looks absolutely ridiculous, Rollins looks more like a star in the pictures.

As for the Rollins being scared. God forbid a superstar goes an extra mile to get their opponent over. Rollins was selling fear to make The Fiend come across as something truly terrifying, and it worked, people were anticipating The Fiend destroying Rollins at the PPV. Would you really rather have had The Rock call the freak a mask wearing fatty? Or Cena to laugh in his face and shoot about Husky Harris?

Wrestling is acting, storytelling, for this pacticular segment, Rollins job was to sell fear of The Fiend and he did a good job. And instead he gets shit on by a bunch of insecure fans who think showing any emotion in a scripted entertainment show is weakness? Conveniently forgetting that Rollins kicked The Fiend's ass at HIAC. GTFOH.

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seth rollins probably works best as the cocky / cowardly heel character like he was after WM 31. Seth's poor acting ability can be somewhat overlooked in that instance because you can believe that hes just being arrogant. Same with fake laugh, least it sounds antagonistic as a heel. His general unlikable personality works in his favour within that role.

beyond that, seth simply cannot act. Nothing he does is believable because hes so damn wooden. You cannot associate with him as a face because he comes across so ungenuine. For example, his attempt at fear is the caricature of fear. Its the overcompensation of someone trying to appear scared instead of someone actually being scared to the point that it comes across as comedic rather than befitting of the situation.
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I get the point you're trying to make but the argument is very flawed. The picture stuff is just subjective. How do you know a casual fan sees a picture of Seth Rollins and is not interested? You have no basis to that argument.
Of course it's subjective, it's an argument I'm making.

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The pictures of CM Punk and Seth Rollins look identical, why is the Punk one ok but the Rollins one not?
I said there is nothing that stands out about Rollins in the picture. Of course that points to being interested, but that isn't the point.

And no, the pictures of Punk and Seth do not look identical. Punk isn't anywhere close to being in the same shape that Seth is, has multiple tattoos and his attire is completely different. He has this smug arrogant look on his face. He doesn't come across as an ordinary guy.

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And if a casual fan saw a picture of Stone Cold and didn't know who he was, they might just think angry bald guy, and look at that picture of Cena, he looks absolutely ridiculous, Rollins looks more like a star in the pictures.
I think you're completely missing my point here. It's not about the picture itself. It's about the person in the picture, that is what they would be seeing for the first time they tuned in and had no idea who these people were. I used pictures because those provide nothing but an image of who they are. There's no movement, and just one expression. All you have is what you see. First impressions are very important and that's the case I'm trying to make here.

Sure, you could see Stone Cold as an angry bald guy, OR he could be a rough bad ass who just doesn't take shit from anyone. Both are interesting angles to look at it from because it's a legitimate character. Cena does look ridiculous, but that's the point. He may look like a clown, but seeing him dressed like that suddenly makes you wonder what kind of person he is. It draws you into him.

Rollins just looks like an ordinary athlete. You claimed him and Punk looked identical and yet you ignored the small details in their attire. These are important.

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As for the Rollins being scared. God forbid a superstar goes an extra mile to get their opponent over. Rollins was selling fear to make The Fiend come across as something truly terrifying, and it worked, people were anticipating The Fiend destroying Rollins at the PPV. Would you really rather have had The Rock call the freak a mask wearing fatty? Or Cena to laugh in his face and shoot about Husky Harris?
He didn't get his opponent over. Bray Wyatt is the heel in this feud and people were cheering for him. So in other words he failed, spectacularly.

Going the extra mile to help your opponent doesn't mean damaging your own character in its entirety. It means putting in the extra effort to help the story being told at hand. But the story has to make sense within the confines of the characters on screen. And before this, the likes of Brock Lesnar and Braun Strowman didn't scare Seth Rollins at all, even when he had broken ribs at one point. But now I'm expected to believe that Rollins is so scared of this fat guy wearing a mask because he has strobe lights? Why? Bray Wyatt hasn't done anything beforehand to deserve such a reputation. He had one match against Finn Balor and beat him. He has done nothing to prove he is anything to be scared of.

That's why the act of Seth screaming in fear at seeing Bray comes across as comical. It didn't make Bray look more menacing, it just made Seth look like a massive bitch, because Bray has done nothing to earn this. And yes, I absolutely would have rather had those two things happen. You wanna know why? Because you know Bray wouldn't have taken that shit lying down. He would have fired right back the following week and do something so menacing that he would give Cena and The Rock reasons to take notice. And maybe they still aren't scared and that's perfectly fine, but they now realize they are up against something serious. And that's how you make someone come across as truly menacing.

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Wrestling is acting, storytelling, for this pacticular segment, Rollins job was to sell fear of The Fiend and he did a good job. And instead he gets shit on by a bunch of insecure fans who think showing any emotion in a scripted entertainment show is weakness? Conveniently forgetting that Rollins kicked The Fiend's ass at HIAC. GTFOH.
And now just like that, you just perfectly explained why Seth showing any sort of fear against Bray was idiotic. Yeah, he did kick Bray's ass at HIAC. All that nonsense about going the extra mile for Bray ended up being for nothing, because in the end he still was able to come out on top. He was still able to walk out as champion. And he did it via an absolute ass whooping. Why should Seth, or anyone for that matter, be scared of Bray now? Why should anyone take him seriously? When Kane had his match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania 14, he didn't get his ass kicked. He had a back and forth match with Taker, and in the end, he managed to kick out of two straight Tombstones before the third one finally put him away, and even then, he still almost kicked out. The Tombstone was a move that always put people away, but kicking out of it twice and almost a third time? That said a lot about how dangerous Kane was, and it also said a lot about how good Taker was. There was no controversial way of ending the match that ended up diverting fans attention away. They went with a straight up finish that benefited both guys, which is how it should be done.



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