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Re: The problem with AJ Styles as a top guy: An Analysis

Aj carried Cena and Ambrose not the other way around. There's so much wrong with things I'm reading in this thread I don't really want to sit down and put in the time to explain why I think that to each one.

When I first opened it and saw the OP, I thought; 'I think this is the same guy who created the last AJ bashing article' and sure enough AD eluded to that article. I had some good points against what I felt was inconsistent/cherry picked/smaller sample sizes in that first one. The OP was very reasonable and I appreciated that. While I don't agree with you on pro-wrestling, I credit you again OP for putting in the work you do.

I guess I just look at wrestling differently than the WWE fans. And by wrestling I mean wrestling. I guess its "sports entertainment" now (whatever TF that is) and that's what fans are looking for. Not me.

When AJ comes out and says the time for talking is done and its time to fight. I'm down with that. When AJ comes out and carries guys liek Cena, Ambrose, Reigns, Mahal, exc to their best performance of the respective years. (in some cases their careers). Thats really all I need to see as justification for why he is where he is and why he still has that belt.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Like for example my opinion is that Roman Reigns isn't really good at anything that makes a great pro wrestler IMO. And I will continue to not watch RAW as long as its the Roman Reigns show.

I also thought John Cena's blatant lack of psychology and atrocious selling was at times insulting to the history of the business. I hated watching it. Nevermind his in-ring skill or lack thereof.

But I'm sure alot of people in this thread would disagree with me and they'd rather see those guys and have AJ take a hike.

He's not a great mic worker, but his character isn't terrible. The problem like it always is, always has been, and always will be (which AJ haters always forget) is that WWE is terrible at booking with any form of consistency. That's not exclusive to AJ.

I mean people shit on Nakamura / AJ rightfully so. But have you seen their match in Japan?? If WWE gave these guys the green light and the luxuries guys like Reigns & Cena get their match would blow away anything else on the card. Same with this Joe fued which they are dropping the ball with. (I though the SS match was great actually but HIAC not as much)

To me he's a guy who has always come across as cool. With him your watching an athlete, your watching a guy who cares about psychology (unlike top faces Reigns/Cena), he cares about trying to make it look credible, he cares about telling a story, he's the best worker on the roster and he's consistently been able to make other guys look better than they are. I'll take AJ as a fighting champion any-day over alot of these other guys.

Honestly the only reason I care about the WWE at all anymore is because I get to watch AJ Styles still go in a prominent role and put on a good show. If he was brought in and buried like Bobby Roode I would go back to enjoying sports and forgetting about pro-wrestling.

I guess I just can't relate to the WWE Sports Entertainment fans ultimately. If I had the time to make articles like this breaking guys down I'm sure my breakdowns/opinions would be alot different than some others here would.



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Aj carried Cena and Ambrose not the other way around.
I shouldn't even bother reading anything else you have to say after this. First off I never said they carried him. That would imply he didn't play any part in making the feuds good, which he did. Second, no, he most certainly did not carry anyone.

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When I first opened it and saw the OP, I thought; 'I think this is the same guy who created the last AJ bashing article' and sure enough AD eluded to that article.
You mean my analysis thread?

That was not a bashing article. That was an constructive look at AJ's talent as a whole, pointing out both his strengths and weaknesses. Me giving the guy four stars in the ring is not bashing him.

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I had some good points against what I felt was inconsistent/cherry picked/smaller sample sizes in that first one.
No you didn't.

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The OP was very reasonable and I appreciated that. While I don't agree with you on pro-wrestling, I credit you again OP for putting in the work you do.

I guess I just look at wrestling differently than the WWE fans. And by wrestling I mean wrestling. I guess its "sports entertainment" now (whatever TF that is) and that's what fans are looking for. Not me.
Pro Wrestling is storytelling. That is what I'm looking for. Without it, there's no meaning. Is that what you look for as well?

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When AJ comes out and says the time for talking is done and its time to fight. I'm down with that. When AJ comes out and carries guys liek Cena, Ambrose, Reigns, Mahal, exc to their best performance of the respective years. (in some cases their careers). Thats really all I need to see as justification for why he is where he is and why he still has that belt.
When did AJ carry any of these guys?

Cena performed literally the exact same way as he had always done at that point. His matches didn't even become legitimately great in my opinion until the Royal Rumble match.

Reigns held his own and AJ even admitted that their matches were not carryjobs by any stretch of the imagination.

His matches with Ambrose were different from anything he had done up to that point in the WWE. Just based on that alone you know it wasn't a carry job.

The program with Mahal was a case of both styles clashing (no pun intended) very well. I have always been of the opinion that Jinder Mahal is a decent in-ring performer. He wasn't really having any trouble producing good matches with other people at that point. AJ does really well against people who are able to perform more like traditional heels. When he's going up against guys who perform a more indy based style (like Owens)? That's when he struggles.

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He's not a great mic worker, but his character isn't terrible. The problem like it always is, always has been, and always will be (which AJ haters always forget) is that WWE is terrible at booking with any form of consistency. That's not exclusive to AJ.
Which, again, is fine and all, but when you are failing to make the things you do stand out on its own unless it's someone else doing that for you, like Samoa Joe is doing now in their current feud, that's not on WWE, that's on AJ. You need to find a way to make the things you do work.

And yeah, the character is pretty terrible. That isn't his fault. But he's failing to do anything to make it any better. Some people can take something terrible and make it work. Chris Jericho made "being a scarf wearing dipshit obsessed with a list" work.

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I mean people shit on Nakamura / AJ rightfully so. But have you seen their match in Japan?? If WWE gave these guys the green light and the luxuries guys like Reigns & Cena get their match would blow away anything else on the card. Same with this Joe fued which they are dropping the ball with. (I though the SS match was great actually but HIAC not as much)
Two things.

One, I actually liked the HIAC match and thought it was on par with the Summerslam match. There were some odd moments (why the fuck did AJ try a random moonsault in the middle of the match?) but otherwise I thought it was another great match between the two.

Second, once again (and this is making me think you didn't even read the OP), I didn't have an issue with the matches Nakamura and AJ had. I thought they were good and got better as time went on. My problem was what I was seeing in the build up between the two. This was a feud AJ personally wanted, and he was terrible in it. And when Nakamura turned heel, he overshadowed AJ completely. That should never happen. Ever.

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To me he's a guy who has always come across as cool. With him your watching an athlete, your watching a guy who cares about psychology (unlike top faces Reigns/Cena)
2007-2009 version of Cena easily cared more about in-ring psychology than AJ did at any point in his career, including now.

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he cares about trying to make it look credible, he cares about telling a story, he's the best worker on the roster and he's consistently been able to make other guys look better than they are.
If any of this was true, I would agree with you.

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Honestly the only reason I care about the WWE at all anymore is because I get to watch AJ Styles still go in a prominent role and put on a good show. If he was brought in and buried like Bobby Roode I would go back to enjoying sports and forgetting about pro-wrestling.

I guess I just can't relate to the WWE Sports Entertainment fans ultimately. If I had the time to make articles like this breaking guys down I'm sure my breakdowns/opinions would be alot different than some others here would.
I'm not a Sports Entertainment fan. I'm a Pro Wrestling fan. Mic work and Character work are not Sports Entertainment exclusive. If you think that's the case then you aren't a Pro Wrestling fan. Any Pro Wrestling fan would tell you this.



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I shouldn't even bother reading anything else you have to say after this. First off I never said they carried him. That would imply he didn't play any part in making the feuds good, which he did. Second, no, he most certainly did not carry anyone.
I wasn't replying to you with that, I saw someone else saying that. My reponse was a general response to things I read.

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You mean my analysis thread?

That was not a bashing article. That was an constructive look at AJ's talent as a whole, pointing out both his strengths and weaknesses. Me giving the guy four stars in the ring is not bashing him.
Fair enough. I won't rehash it. It was your analysis. IMO you have a bias with the analysis, but its pro-wresting so everyone has a bias. I'm not pretending I don't either. And I give you props for putting in the time to do it.

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No you didn't.
I'll quote you.

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I'm not going to rethink my ratings. The only way I'm doing that is if someone offers up a legitimate point about the points I've made here so far. And the only one who has been able to do that is @AJ_Styles_P1 (FYI, watched the matches you posted, one of them I actually watched already before making the analysis thread. My point still stands). You on the other hand have not.

I do want to give a shout out to @AJ_Styles_P1 , for being a very reasonable poster who made the attempts to counter my actual points in this thread. It made for a fun discussion and is currently the only reason I will continue to engage in conversation with those who willingly disagree with me.

Fun Fact: You were actually on my ignore list AJ_Styles_P1. I don't even remember why to be honest. Either way, consider yourself removed from the list.
Not going to rehash the first article. All I will say is: I've watched AJ's career from like 06 or 07 on, plus his work I've gone back and watched from prior years. I know you said you spent alot of time going back to watch some of his TNA stuff, but I didn't have to "go back" to watch any of it as far as the bulk of his career for purposes of anaylizing.

Anyways;

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Pro Wrestling is storytelling. That is what I'm looking for. Without it, there's no meaning. Is that what you look for as well?
Yup. Among other things. Again my response was a general one to things I've been reading in the thread and in general how I feel watching these shows and interacting with the "universe". It's not what I grew up loving.

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When did AJ carry any of these guys?

Cena performed literally the exact same way as he had always done at that point. His matches didn't even become legitimately great in my opinion until the Royal Rumble match.

Reigns held his own and AJ even admitted that their matches were not carryjobs by any stretch of the imagination.

His matches with Ambrose were different from anything he had done up to that point in the WWE. Just based on that alone you know it wasn't a carry job.

The program with Mahal was a case of both styles clashing (no pun intended) very well. I have always been of the opinion that Jinder Mahal is a decent in-ring performer. He wasn't really having any trouble producing good matches with other people at that point. AJ does really well against people who are able to perform more like traditional heels. When he's going up against guys who perform a more indy based style (like Owens)? That's when he struggles.
The proof is in the pudding. The matches Mahal and Ambrose had with AJ were the best of their year. For Mahal: probably the best of his career.

Of course AJ will give guys like Roman and Cena props. He's a humble individual and a loyal guy to workplace. He's not going to bury Reigns/Cena, or put himself over. And certainly not when talking about Vince's handpicked guys.

You compare Cena's & Roman's selling to AJ. You compare the moves and how they are executed, as aswell as the range of move-sets. Its not close in my opinion in any of those aspects. AJ Styles can have a good match with a broomstick. Cena and Reigns aren't that level of worker.

I don't agree that he struggles against Owens or in some other formula. The WWE runs a very controlled, constricted operation. If you put all of these guys in a promotion on a show where each guy is allowed the same freedom and time in their matches, the abilities of each would become more apparent IMO.

When you take the WWE machine away, I don't think Roman Reigns or John Cena would make it as big in some other promotions going on just their talent. Like AJ could. In my opinion.

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Which, again, is fine and all, but when you are failing to make the things you do stand out on its own unless it's someone else doing that for you, like Samoa Joe is doing now in their current feud, that's not on WWE, that's on AJ. You need to find a way to make the things you do work.

And yeah, the character is pretty terrible. That isn't his fault. But he's failing to do anything to make it any better. Some people can take something terrible and make it work. Chris Jericho made "being a scarf wearing dipshit obsessed with a list" work.
Well here I just don't think we agree. I think we agree on WWE's ineptitude. I think Samoa Joe has done fine and I like AJ's "time for talk is over" approach. I think WWE has dropped the ball as far as Joe not going to AJ's house and them not being given the attention they should as the championship fued. But I think the guys have done a good job keeping me interested despite that. A2D for me.

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Two things.

One, I actually liked the HIAC match and thought it was on par with the Summerslam match. There were some odd moments (why the fuck did AJ try a random moonsault in the middle of the match?) but otherwise I thought it was another great match between the two.

Second, once again (and this is making me think you didn't even read the OP), I didn't have an issue with the matches Nakamura and AJ had. I thought they were good and got better as time went on. My problem was what I was seeing in the build up between the two. This was a feud AJ personally wanted, and he was terrible in it. And when Nakamura turned heel, he overshadowed AJ completely. That should never happen. Ever.
I went back and watched HIAC and it actually was better than I originally thought. I think I enjoyed SS a tad more but it was also a very good match.

I agree about the Naka/AJ matches. I thought they were better than given credit for. I agree WWE dropped the ball.

And I don't think a heel turn should never overshadow a face. If that was the case John Cena & Roman Reigns are the ultimate examples in Pro-Wrestling history of being completely overshadowed as a face. Far Far Far Far Far worse than AJ ever has.

And I also don't think he was completely overshadowed, I think it worked alright. It made me want to see the match where Aj was going to get his hands on him & Naka wasn't going to be able to cheat to win/get by. A2D again I guess.

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2007-2009 version of Cena easily cared more about in-ring psychology than AJ did at any point in his career, including now.
In that timeframe, John Cena literally no sold being in a burning car. LMAO.

I'd agree Cena cared more then than he does now but holy crap.

Styles psychology & selling in his match vs Samoa Joe @ Turning Point 05 was atleast as good if not (likely) better than Cena in that timeframe. Do u have a Cena example I can compare?

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If any of this was true, I would agree with you.
We must just look at wrestling differently. Out of curiosity; what's your favourite WCW match? (or one of)

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Again part of the general response. Mic work and character work are apart of it. But its supposed to be simulated fighting at the end of the day and I like when that approach is taken. I don't always suspend disbelief with AJ either, its really become harder with the business to suspended disbelief as times gone on, but I still slant more towards that approach and things being about the championship then over-the-top storylines (that leave the belt secondary) and 'sports entertainment'.



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I wasn't replying to you with that, I saw someone else saying that. My reponse was a general response to things I read.
Ah.

My mistake.

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Fair enough. I won't rehash it. It was your analysis. IMO you have a bias with the analysis, but its pro-wresting so everyone has a bias. I'm not pretending I don't either. And I give you props for putting in the time to do it.
I can assure you that there is no bias.

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Link me the thread. I might be mixing you up with another person with a similar name.

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Not going to rehash the first article. All I will say is: I've watched all of AJ's career from like 06 or 07 on, plus his work I've gone back and watched from prior years. I know you said you spent alot of time going back to watch some of his TNA stuff, but I didn't have to "go back" to watch any of it as far as the bulk of his career for purposes of anaylizing.
The reason I do it is for two reasons.

1. Things I don't necessarily notice at the time due to my mindset at that point are things I'll notice the second time around. And that isn't even with old stuff. So for example, I revisited the match between Styles and Cena at Summerslam only a week after first seeing it. Initially, I had high praise for the match and considered it a match of the year contender. But after the second viewing, I ended up hating the match. I guess it was more so a case of me being sucked into the story and the atmosphere of the match, both of which were great.

2. The little things. Little things are a bitch because they can be very important when it comes to in-ring work. And more often than not, they aren't something I'm going to remember unless it was from a match I really liked and consider one of my favorites.

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Yup. Among other things. Again my response was a general one to things I've been reading in the thread and in general how I feel watching these shows and interacting with the "universe". It's not what I grew up loving.
Makes sense.

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The proof is in the pudding. The matches Mahal and Ambrose had with AJ were the best of their year. For Mahal: probably the best of his career.
This argument doesn't work for me, and here's why:

Ambrose: This was the first and only instance through out the year apart from his triple threat shield match where Ambrose was actually given proper story structure and match time consistently. He was in the role that he belonged in and he thrived on it. After he was done with Styles, he dropped off the map very quickly. He had a decent feud with the Miz but their styles simply didn't mesh and their chemistry was wonky at best. And then he just got thrown into a terrible feud with Baron Corbin that lacked proper direction and didn't get much screen time. After Ambrose went back over to Raw and teamed with Rollins, he was right back to delivering excellent matches again and was a big reason for that.

Mahal: Same case (sort of) but a different scenario. One of the unfortunate things about Mahal's title reign was that after Orton, there wasn't much for him to work with. Nakamura was up next on the list and while the matches weren't necessarily terrible, everything about the feud was just wrong. Styles was the opponent Mahal desperately needed. And when they had their match on Smackdown, they knocked it out of the park.

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Of course AJ will give guys like Roman and Cena props. He's a humble individual and a loyal guy to workplace. He's not going to bury Reigns/Cena, or put himself over. And certainly not when talking about Vince's handpicked guys.
Again, there is a problem with this logic, and it's that it's a baseless claim to make. Sure, there are situations where people will do it because they feel it's the right thing to do. It doesn't mean that isn't actually the case. You have no way of proving otherwise.

I personally never go off those claims, unless there is a very specific reason for it. What I normally go off of are what I am seeing in the ring. One of the best ways to tell if someone is being carried and/or if they are simply going along with what the other person is telling them to do is by how the match is structured, and how often you see commands being handed out by the wrestlers. More often than not, you can tell when these situations are happening (the best example is Ultimate Warrior vs Randy Savage at Wrestlemania, where you can see Savage telling Warrior what to do at almost every turn).

So for example, CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar at Summerslam is a match where I think CM Punk actually carried Brock. This isn't me saying Brock needs to be carried. He absolutely does not. In his prime he was one of the best in-ring performers in the world. But at this point, Brock does not care. But CM Punk does, and he's the type of guy who will make sure things go the way he wants them to, or he won't do it at all. Lesnar, in what I can only assume was out of respect for Punk, went along with it and performed the kind of match Punk wanted him to perform. He sold a lot, he paced it really well, he did a lot more work than he normally does. Lesnar did the same thing with AJ and Joe, both of which again I think were out of respect for them.

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You compare Cena's & Roman's selling to AJ. You compare the moves and how they are executed, as aswell as the range of move-sets. Its not close in my opinion in any of those aspects. AJ Styles can have a good match with a broomstick. Cena and Reigns aren't that level of worker.
When did I ever compare any of those aspects of their in-ring work to AJ? I have gone on record to state that AJ is excellent when it comes to selling and execution. I think those are the two best things about his in-ring work. And when it comes to Cena, I don't share the same opinion. Yeah, Cena's bumping is great (as is Styles). And Reigns? I've shat on him multiple times now when it comes to those aspects. So...yeah, don't know where you're getting any of this from.

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I don't agree that he struggles against Owens or in some other formula. The WWE runs a very controlled, constricted operation. If you put all of these guys in a promotion on a show where each guy is allowed the same freedom and time in their matches, the abilities of each would become more apparent IMO.

When you take the WWE machine away, I don't think Roman Reigns or John Cena would make it as big in some other promotions going on just their talent. Like AJ could. In my opinion.
Okay? That's great for other promotions. This thread is about WWE. And yeah, outside WWE AJ would probably have a much better program with Owens. But in WWE? Where Owens is still being forced to be a comedic heel who isn't trying to get heat but instead be entertaining? Yeah, AJ is going to struggle with that, and guess what? He did.

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Well here I just don't think we agree. I think we agree on WWE's ineptitude. I think Samoa Joe has done fine and I like AJ's "time for talk is over" approach. I think WWE has dropped the ball as far as Joe not going to AJ's house and them not being given the attention they should as the championship fued. But I think the guys have done a good job keeping me interested despite that. A2D for me.
This isn't a matter of what I think. Right now AJ being overshadowed by Joe is a popular consensus. Yeah, you aren't wrong for thinking that AJ has held his own here. But the fact of the matter is, this opinion I just gave is something being said by the majority. And that's a problem. What I think on the matter is irrelevant. If it came down to what I think, Cesaro and Sheamus wouldn't still be heels. But hell, they're doing well in it, and the majority seems to think the same thing. So who am I to say that they should change it?

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I went back and watched HIAC and it actually was better than I originally thought. I think I enjoyed SS a tad more but it was also a very good match.
Yeah, I agree. I don't know where the hate for the match is coming from, but I thought they did a great job just like at Summerslam.

I agree about the Naka/AJ matches. I thought they were better than given credit for. I agree WWE dropped the ball.

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And I don't think a heel turn should never overshadow a face. If that was the case John Cena & Roman Reigns are the ultimate examples in Pro-Wrestling history of being completely overshadowed as a face. Far Far Far Far Far worse than AJ ever has.
Reigns? Yes. But I'm not arguing that he's not a lost cause. That one goes without saying.

Cena however is a different story, because he's still able to carry himself on his own and add to the story in his own way. Yes, he has been overshadowed, but he still found ways to keep the feud going and contribute to it. That's the issue with the Styles situation. Nakamura turned heel and it became ALL ABOUT Nakamura's heel turn. All eyes were on him. There was never any fucks given by the majority of fans about what AJ was doing, because at that point he paled in comparison.

[QUOTE=AJ_Styles_P1;76202724]And I also don't think he was completely overshadowed, I think it worked alright. It made me want to see the match where Aj was going to get his hands on him & Naka wasn't going to be able to cheat to win/get by. A2D again I guess.

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In that timeframe, John Cena literally no sold being in a burning car. LMAO.
I don't remember this at all, so you're gonna have to explain that to me.

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I'd agree Cena cared more then than he does now but holy crap.

Styles psychology & selling in his match vs Samoa Joe @ Turning Point 05 was atleast as good if not (likely) better than Cena in that timeframe. Do u have a Cena example I can compare?
Off the top of my head, any of his matches with Shawn Michaels and his last man standing match with Umaga.

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We must just look at wrestling differently. Out of curiosity; what's your favourite WCW match? (or one of)
Couldn't tell you. I've honestly never taken the time to think about what match from WCW I liked best. There's a lot of great ones out there, don't get me wrong. But yeah, at the moment nothing comes to mind.

For what it's worth, my all time favorite match is Steve Austin vs Bret Hart Submission Match. And a while back, I made a detailed analysis on it but it was in a thread, so finding it would be difficult.



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I disagree with anyone who says AJ is better than a heel. AJ is someone who is a lot more fun chasing the title rather than holding it. His feud with Mahal was better than the feuds with Owens and Nakamura in my opinion because he's chasing the title and playing an underdog overcoming the odds against someone much larger, and the story telling in the matches was well done.

I just think it's ironic that attendance and ratings were better when Jinder was champion.
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