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Ultimate Warrior 1992

I remember as a kid being really psyched that Ultimate Warrior had returned at Wrestlemania 8. Although he wasn't the best technical wrestler, he was certainly one of the more entertaining stars in WWF and had a great larger than life personality that exploded out of the screen at you.

His run in 1992 never really amounted to much, though. Besides a short feud with Papa Shango, and his Summerslam title match with Savage, he didn't really do a lot. In November 1992, Warrior was fired from the WWF - less than a year after returning amidst great fanfare.

My question is this: obviously, Warrior was brought back in 1992 to fill the Hulk Hogan shaped void. They wanted a huge star and, as Warrior had proven himself to be a pretty big star, they drafted him in but, seriously, did they actually have any real long term plans for him or was he just there to make up the numbers? If he hadn't been released in late '92, how would the WWF landscape have looked in 1993 (with both Hogan and Warrior around)?

When he left, they were pushing the idea of him and Savage teaming up as 'The Ultimate Maniacs', which was quite interesting. I think that they probably would have pushed that team to take on Money Inc. for the tag team titles over a lengthy feud. I seem to remember they had one match, which Money Inc. lost by DQ (I think) and managed to sneakily keep their gold. With Warrior around, maybe Savage wouldn't have been relegated to the commentary desk; how different would Savage's career have been if he'd been partnered up with Warrior for a bit? We know that he left for WCW because he felt that he was being under utilized in the WWF - would this have happened if Warrior had stayed and the Ultimate-Maniacs team had played out?

I also heard a rumour that Bret Hart was supposed to defend his WWF title against Ultimate Warrior at Royal Rumble 1993. If this match had happened, do you think that it would have made Hulk Hogan more willing to face Bret?

I guess the question is this: what difference would it have made to the WWF if Ultimate Warrior had not been fired in late 1992?

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I'd imagine Vince wanted to maintain him as the 2nd biggest face on the roster [Next to Hogan] but being a total asshole ruined that. And even if it hadn't, the steroid scandal would have.

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Warrior was slated to win the WWF championship at Summer Slam 1992 from Randall Poffo by turning heel, siding with Flair and Perfect. But he nixed the idea due to it would affect his character. So VKM decided to put the belt on Flair 3 days later or so.


Warrior was fired from WWF along with British Bulldog in the end of 1992 due to the upcomming steroid scandal. They were scapegoats basically.

There was never any confirmed plans for Bret to wrestle Warrior at the rumble as Bret claimed in one interview. What is noteworthy is that Bret in his biography, mentions the firing of the Warrior. He writes something in the line with: So by firing the Warrior, any little hopes and fantasies I had about making Warrior submit at WRESTLEMANIA to my sharpshooer was down the drain. So in his biography Bret claims that he had hopes of wrestling Warrior at Wrestlemania, while on a more recent interview Bret claiemd that there were plans for him Wrestle Warrior at Royal Rumble. So to me I just think it is all wishful thinking by Bret, that he should wrestle and beat the Warrior because that would (in Brets own world) make him better than Warrior...

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Warrior was slated to win the WWF championship at Summer Slam 1992 from Randall Poffo by turning heel, siding with Flair and Perfect. But he nixed the idea due to it would affect his character. So VKM decided to put the belt on Flair 3 days later or so.


Warrior was fired from WWF along with British Bulldog in the end of 1992 due to the upcomming steroid scandal. They were scapegoats basically.

There was never any confirmed plans for Bret to wrestle Warrior at the rumble as Bret claimed in one interview. What is noteworthy is that Bret in his biography, mentions the firing of the Warrior. He writes something in the line with: So by firing the Warrior, any little hopes and fantasies I had about making Warrior submit at WRESTLEMANIA to my sharpshooer was down the drain. So in his biography Bret claims that he had hopes of wrestling Warrior at Wrestlemania, while on a more recent interview Bret claiemd that there were plans for him Wrestle Warrior at Royal Rumble. So to me I just think it is all wishful thinking by Bret, that he should wrestle and beat the Warrior because that would (in Brets own world) make him better than Warrior...
Interesting. I never knew about the Warrior heel turn you allude to.
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"make him better than Warrior". Isn't he better than Warrior?


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Warrior was slated to win the WWF championship at Summer Slam 1992 from Randall Poffo by turning heel, siding with Flair and Perfect. But he nixed the idea due to it would affect his character. So VKM decided to put the belt on Flair 3 days later or so.
I didn't know that. That actually answers a lot of questions for me. I've always wondered what the point of the whole "Flair/Perfect messing with their heads at Summerslam" plot was all about. The actual reuslt was really disappointing; a Warrior heel turn would have been amazing. It also explains the way the belt was bounced around so much between Summerslam and Survivor Series. I wish that Warrior had turned heel at Summerslam 1992. That could've been amazing.

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I can't imagine Vince turning the Ultimate Warrior heel. He's always reluctant to turn big stars heel and Warrior was a major merchandise draw at the time.
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Interesting. I never knew about the Warrior heel turn you allude to.
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"make him better than Warrior". Isn't he better than Warrior?
Meltzer confirmed this about the heel turn, also I saw an interview with a wrestler whos name slips my mind atm, who also confirmed this


Yeah Bret was always better than Warrior inside the ring. But Bret never had the impact Warrior had or drawing power

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I remember as a kid being really psyched that Ultimate Warrior had returned at Wrestlemania 8. Although he wasn't the best technical wrestler, he was certainly one of the more entertaining stars in WWF and had a great larger than life personality that exploded out of the screen at you.

His run in 1992 never really amounted to much, though. Besides a short feud with Papa Shango, and his Summerslam title match with Savage, he didn't really do a lot. In November 1992, Warrior was fired from the WWF - less than a year after returning amidst great fanfare.

My question is this: obviously, Warrior was brought back in 1992 to fill the Hulk Hogan shaped void. They wanted a huge star and, as Warrior had proven himself to be a pretty big star, they drafted him in but, seriously, did they actually have any real long term plans for him or was he just there to make up the numbers? If he hadn't been released in late '92, how would the WWF landscape have looked in 1993 (with both Hogan and Warrior around)?

When he left, they were pushing the idea of him and Savage teaming up as 'The Ultimate Maniacs', which was quite interesting. I think that they probably would have pushed that team to take on Money Inc. for the tag team titles over a lengthy feud. I seem to remember they had one match, which Money Inc. lost by DQ (I think) and managed to sneakily keep their gold. With Warrior around, maybe Savage wouldn't have been relegated to the commentary desk; how different would Savage's career have been if he'd been partnered up with Warrior for a bit? We know that he left for WCW because he felt that he was being under utilized in the WWF - would this have happened if Warrior had stayed and the Ultimate-Maniacs team had played out?

I also heard a rumour that Bret Hart was supposed to defend his WWF title against Ultimate Warrior at Royal Rumble 1993. If this match had happened, do you think that it would have made Hulk Hogan more willing to face Bret?

I guess the question is this: what difference would it have made to the WWF if Ultimate Warrior had not been fired in late 1992?

I hated how they teamed him up with Undertaker a year after Undertaker tried to murder him by locking him in the casket.

Of course I also hate how Undertaker and Kane are buddies now, two years after Kane attacked Undertaker and left him in a coma. Plus didn't Kane have Nexus try to bury Undertaker alive?

When someone tries to murder someone else in the storylines they shouldn't just be buddies again like nothing ever happened.
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I hated how they teamed him up with Undertaker a year after Undertaker tried to murder him by locking him in the casket.

Of course I also hate how Undertaker and Kane are buddies now, two years after Kane attacked Undertaker and left him in a coma. Plus didn't Kane have Nexus try to bury Undertaker alive?

When someone tries to murder someone else in the storylines they shouldn't just be buddies again like nothing ever happened.
Maybe they settled it outside of court

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Meltzer confirmed this about the heel turn, also I saw an interview with a wrestler whos name slips my mind atm, who also confirmed this


Yeah Bret was always better than Warrior inside the ring. But Bret never had the impact Warrior had or drawing power
So, reading between the lines, Warrior would've turned heel and picked up the WWF title at Summerslam and eventually dropped it to Bret Hart at Wrestlemania? That would actually have been pretty entertaining. Presumably, Bret would've won the 1993 Royal Rumble, then? Meaning that we would've been spared the dreadful Yokozuna push!

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